Mental Health

[Ixion]

Bullshit.

How does CMT fix your brain chemistry? Oh I know, each "mental case" gets tortured by the squad and commits suicide.

Seen it happen. C.M.T. Compulsary Mental Torture.CMT was a bad bad bad place to be if you were 'different' in any way.

[ElCoyote]

etc etc

So your saying that the is a direct correlation between the change and discipline in adults and the rise of mental illness? Nothing else has changed over the years that may also have affected it?

Things that also correlate with the increased diagnoses such as;

• rise in the number of single parent families
• rise in the number of families with both parents working
• exponential increase in available information eg news and current events
• massive increase in food additives and use of preservative laden pre-packaged food.
• Etc

1. You're associating anti-social / criminal behaviour with mental illness which is not a valid association. There are plenty of crims with no mental illness, and plenty with mental illness that aren't crims.

2. A long bow is being drawn to pick one thing that has changed in the last 30 years and say it must be the cause of another thing that has changed.

At least we are closer than the disparagy in your first quote.

I am saying that in our formative years, conduct that is (today) described as a mental problem, could have been diminished or even reprogrammed by a dose of discipline. The army took no prisoners but there were no casualties other than a bruised ego or two but with 200 plus other males surrounding you, if you had an opinion or propensity toward off the scale of the majority there was the option to re-evaluate your thoughts. You were not derided for thinking differently and in some cases thinking outside the square was inovative, but at the end of the day democracy works best and as I said previously, those who had what would today, be considered society's problem children quickly took stock of their minority status and as a result when I encountered these former rebels at periodic territorial training exercises they were model citizens and still are and I count them as close friends.

Lack of parental supervision is the reason for most of society's ills, but we prefer to blame the other parent for the suspect genes or cite mental illness.

A properly nurtured, reared and tought child, will never fall in the category of alphabetic excuses.

[James Deuce]

Hey Ngati Pessimist,

I grew up in an era, when based on your birthdate you either got called up or escaped. In that era we had limited access to transport and you knew the people in your own neighbourhood very well. I was LUCKY enough to be "called up". Along with me were the societal disrupts who we all knew from our suburbs and who were destined for greater things within the prison system. Predictably they were rebellious at first, but left after their required time as model citizens with a responsible attitude, which I am pleased to say they have kept to this day and I count most of them as my best friends.

Today there would be a myriad of excuses offered as to the reasons for their anti-social behaviour as they have not experienced this regime.

Bullshit back to you JIM2, the main reason these people (today) are like they are, is lack of disipline or parental intervention.

Put whatever spin on CMT you like but it had a 100% success rate, until the Communists, tree huggers, poofters and pacifists invaded parliament and we now cannot discipline "our" children and instill social values and consequences of their actions in them.

Guess you are not a parent or condone the toe rags that abound in modern society.

I was talking about me. Lack of discipline or parental intervention eh? My parents are still married. I went to Boys Brigade for 13 years. I played sports, both team and individual, I had two paper runs and a milk run. I topped my 3rd and 4th form class and I got top of some class or other for the other three years. I got the shit kicked out of me a school for being an egghead despite being in the First XI, and playing rep football.

I've never been on the dole.

A few years ago I managed to wangle my way onto a Masters programme without any previous University experience and before they closed my course down, managed two As and a B for the three papers I completed and an A for my thesis.

But I'm fucked in the head.

I've been run over by a drunk driver, neck and back broken, parasympathetic nervous system screwed and developed a form of depression as a direct result of my physical injuries.

So I'll ask again, how the fuck would CMT help a 42 year old with a family and a job?

You are typical of the "average person" who thinks everything can be fixed with a bit of HTFU.

You don't know what you're talking about.

You haven't even got the common decency to read anything I've written in this thread because just like most of your generation, you hatched from the womb knowing exactly how the world is supposed to work and you're always right. Typically of you lot, anyone who has issues is doing it all wrong and deserves it.

[James Deuce]

The army took no prisoners but there were no casualties other than a bruised ego or two but with 200 plus other males surrounding you.

Bullshit. Two of the guys on my Dad's course committed suicide, one by jumping out of the door of a Bristol Freighter. Sounds healthy to me.

[ElCoyote]

Bullshit. Two of the guys on my Dad's course committed suicide, one by jumping out of the door of a Bristol Freighter. Sounds healthy to me.

Either a generalisation, or your father had a very bad case of flatulence. I never flew in a Bristol (In the army at least) but had many a bumpy ride in a DC3 and neither flatulence or BO never made me consider "suicide", but perhaps I had a stronger mind or stomach than them. Stop generalising, if two people had done this in the history of CMT then let's get the percentage right, but to say that two people in your dad's platoon had done this and not state the reason for the doing so is disengenuous at the least.

We were getting closer in our views, but after this tirade I suspect that mental illness is rife in your family. No further correspondence will be entered into. Fuck Off

[ElCoyote]

I was talking about me. Lack of discipline or parental intervention eh? My parents are still married. I went to Boys Brigade for 13 years. I played sports, both team and individual, I had two paper runs and a milk run. I topped my 3rd and 4th form class and I got top of some class or other for the other three years. I got the shit kicked out of me a school for being an egghead despite being in the First XI, and playing rep football.

I've never been on the dole.

A few years ago I managed to wangle my way onto a Masters programme without any previous University experience and before they closed my course down, managed two As and a B for the three papers I completed and an A for my thesis.

But I'm fucked in the head.

I've been run over by a drunk driver, neck and back broken, parasympathetic nervous system screwed and developed a form of depression as a direct result of my physical injuries.

So I'll ask again, how the fuck would CMT help a 42 year old with a family and a job?

You are typical of the "average person" who thinks everything can be fixed with a bit of HTFU.

You don't know what you're talking about.

You haven't even got the common decency to read anything I've written in this thread because just like most of your generation, you hatched from the womb knowing exactly how the world is supposed to work and you're always right. Typically of you lot, anyone who has issues is doing it all wrong and deserves it.

Hey Ehoa,

I did read what you had to say and being run over by a drunk driver has nothing to do with your formative years which is my point. "My lot" eh? I guess that includes your dad.

CMT wouldn't help a 42 year old and neither would I expect it to, if you were a fuckwit at age 10 it certainly would.

Do not consider your circumstances as being typical of mainstream New Zealand especially due to your age. This is not a criticism of your age group but rather an example of how this problem was dealt with a generation ago when anti-social behaviour was just that, and not a mental illness. A child reacts to, and is bound to it's environment in the formative years and a lack of discipline can be quickly and cured early, which has enormous spin offs for society and you as a tax payer???????. In fact we may get politicians with a social conscience not those whimps who vote for what Uncle Helen says to vote for. Homosexual reform bill, electoral reform bill, in fact anything the majority oppose. Make any excuse you like but upbringing determines responsibility in later life.

Take responsibility for your own actions but don't hide behind mumbo jumbo and distorted rhetoric.

Control your own destiny and don't blame others.

[HTFU]

1. You're associating anti-social / criminal behaviour with mental illness which is not a valid association. There are plenty of crims with no mental illness, and plenty with mental illness that aren't crims.

(This thread got a new lease of life over Xmas )

I would argue that to commit a crime or enter into criminal behaviour a person must have something wrong with them mentally. Definitely something that allows them to think it is ok in someway to do the crime or not to give a fuck about the crime they commit.

The ability to steal, abuse or kill is the result of something not 100% upstairs. Mentally stable people don't commit crimes. If they do then they are mental. I don't do crime, and there's no fucking way a crim is mentally the same as me.

Crims aren't mental - what next .

IMHO

[Ixion]

Hey Ehoa,

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CMT wouldn't help a 42 year old and neither would I expect it to, if you were a fuckwit at age 10 it certainly would.

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Dunno where you come from dude, but here in Gawdzone CMT was from 19 and up. Not 10. There have been a few countries that have inducted 10 years old into the military. Not many of them were shining beacons of well runnedness.

CMT was a pretty decent lark if you were big strong and stupid. A jock in fact. Otherwise, otherwise. Dunno so much about discipline, but there sure was a shit load of bullying.

[Disco Dan]

Flipping fantastic. One of my clients just went AWOL. Great. more smegging work to do. *sigh* ...some dropkick took him off compulsory treatment order so he can just walk off... get up to mischief and we cant do sweet smeg all... Dam MHS system.

Oh well, one less to worry about... surfs up kiwibiker!

[HTFU]

Flipping fantastic. One of my clients just went AWOL. Great. more smegging work to do. *sigh* ...some dropkick took him off compulsory treatment order so he can just walk off... get up to mischief and we cant do sweet smeg all... Dam MHS system.

Oh well, one less to worry about... surfs up kiwibiker!

would a .22 calibre do the trick, its all I got to offer.

[Disco Dan]

would a .22 calibre do the trick, its all I got to offer.

Client would most likey make the bullet "disolve" since so many smegging people think my clients are some freak of nature... dam mainstream uninformed public.

[HTFU]

Client would most likey make the bullet "disolve" since so many smegging people think my clients are some freak of nature... dam mainstream uninformed public.

Damn that public I say. X - men like you say .

[Disco Dan]

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Client returned... thanks!

Of all the t-shirts to be wearing when the police arrive I had to be wearing my kiwibiker one... *sigh*

[Sanx]

For example, so many parents I know all believe that thier kids need to be on ritalin (sp) because they're out of control. Thing is that 99% of the kids are perfectly normal kids, the problem coming from the parents that don't take care of thier kids and wont disapline in an effective manner. To me that quite often seems a coput on the parents part.

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[Disco Dan]

Cambridge Evening News
August 11, 2006

INFORMATION given to some mental patients are before they undergo electric shock treatment has been criticised.

Supporters of Electric Convulsive Therapy (ECT) say the treatment is a “last resort” for patients who are severely depressed and it can help stop them committing suicide.

ECT “resets” the brain with an electric pulse.

Opponents say there is little evidence it works. They claim it can have severe side-effects and is a form of torture.

Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Mental Health Trust has revealed it has conducted 2,600 ECT treatments since 2002.

On average 50-55 people a year are given ECT by the trust in a course of six to 12 treatments. It said 26 people were done in Cambridge during the past year.

Mental health charity MIND, which found information about side-effects is often inadequate, said patients should be given a choice of receiving the treatment.

Paul Farmer, MIND chief executive, said: “Some people do find ECT helpful, but 84 per of respondents to our last survey on ECT had experienced side- effects.

“Our survey found nearly twothirds of people given ECT were not provided with information about its side-effects beforehand.

“Nearly half said they would not agree to have the treatment again. The most common longterm side-effects are memory loss, difficulty concentrating, and problems remembering new information, while headaches and dizziness are common in the short term.

“ECT is an invasive and irreversible procedure. It should only ever be used as a last resort for cases of extreme depression, when every other treatment has been tried.

“Even then, it should certainly never be given without fullyinformed consent, except in an emergency.”

But the mental health trust said the number of ECT treatments was small compared to the 4,000 in-patient admissions a year.

Dr Fiona Blake, consultant psychiatrist, said all patients were fully informed before undergoing treatment.

She said: “ECT is an effective treatment for depression, but our consultants take great care to ensure it is only offered in cases where it is likely to be clinically effective.

“The treatment is always discussed and explained, and we have good-quality information leaflets to support clinical consultations and a robust consent procedure.

“ECT treatment is a ‘last resort’ for depression when the patient has symptoms that indicate a likely good response and when other strategies have failed.”

She said it was sometimes the preferred treatment, for example for someone intensely suicidal, or too depressed to eat or drink.

She said the trust had been approved by the Royal College of Psychiatrists to administer ECT and commended by it for its consent procedures.