I can't see the problem with our road toll?

[P38]

Oh, yes. And we could extend this further. You should have to swipe your licence too. Then the system can cross match your licence info with the rego info. And if your licence doesn't cover the vehicle you're filling, no fuel. And the camera photographing the plates could also check for an L plate. L licence, no L plate no fuel.

But what about diesels who haven't paid their RUC? Can't have them getting away with anything. Have to be some way for the system to read the vehicle mileage. And scan the RUC sticker thing.

But what if someone takes the rego sticker AND plates from a registered vehicel and puts them on an unregistered one. Horrors! They might get fuel ! So we need to extend the system a bit, and have it read the VIN of the vehicle. Still got a problem though , cos we don't know if the licence the driver is presenting (see above) is actually his. What we need is for all drivers to , by law, have a microchip implanted in the foreheads. And special little helmets at the pumps that you put on, so it can read the micro chip.

FFS. Have you people nothing better to do than whine and bitch about some unknown dude whose rego has lapsed. Get a life, the Warewhare will have them on special on Boxing Day.

Yep

All these systems have already been developed.

RFID (Radio Frequency Identfication) embedded in the Licence, Registration and in the Vehicle would take care of all of the above without the need for the little helmet thingy.

Biometric identifcation coupled with RFID could make it very workable

It's all kinda BIG BROTHERISH but avalible today.

[P38]

How on earth does whether a vehicle is registered or not affect the 'road toll' ? Maybe the system should also check whether anyone buying fuel has paid their income tax ?

Yep

Thats easily do-able already too.

Scary huh!

[homer]

I dont even have to read this post to make a point

We have the highest number vehicles on the road per head count

Go do the maths

[RDJ]

Interesting note: More pedestrians were killed in 2006 than motorcyclists, with 45 fatalities[2].

I wonder if at any given time there are more or fewer pedestrians on the road than there are motorcyclists on the road?

[Katman]

Even so, 1 death per year per over 6000 vehicles is nothing to worry about.

And if that 1 death was your partner, or your son, or your sister, or your father - then you would have no problem with that?

[Delphinus]

And if that 1 death was your partner, or your son, or your sister, or your father - then you would have no problem with that?

Its a fact of life. Moving at 27.78meters per second (100km/h) with a whole lot of others moving at that speed some coming towards - closing at 55.56m/s. Some of them retards (and i'm not talking about speeding) you cant expect none of them to die.

[Katman]

Its a fact of life. Moving at 27.78meters per second (100km/h) with a whole lot of others moving at that speed some coming towards - closing at 55.56m/s. Some of them retards (and i'm not talking about speeding) you cant expect none of them to die.

What if their death was avoidable?

[Delphinus]

What if their death was avoidable?

Define avoidable?
If the speed limit was 10km/h it would be avoided.
If no-one drove drunk it would be avoided.
If all the lanes have concrete barriers between them it would be avoided.
If they didn't drive at all it would be avoided.

Where do you draw the line? The current laws draw the line in a position I do not agree with.

[Katman]

What if their death was avoidable?

And by that I mean, if your partner, or son, or sister, or father was killed in a vehicle accident that was completely avoidable, you'd be quite cool with that?

[homer]

And if that 1 death was your partner, or your son, or your sister, or your father - then you would have no problem with that?

Oh come on .....your going to go down the road of ....IF

were all fucked then arnt we
just get the fuck on with life


Its people like you that give us compulsorie ....fucken stuff

as many people die driving as they do drowning as they do smoking

[homer]

What if their death was avoidable?

Oh yeah and will you live if you say have a head on at 50 km
thats 2 cars or bikes
thats 100km crash
will you live at 100 km


maybe

[Katman]

Oh come on .....your going to go down the road of ....IF

were all fucked then arnt we
just get the fuck on with life


Its people like you that give us compulsorie ....fucken stuff

as many people die driving as they do drowning as they do smoking

Ok homer, what if it was your partner, or son, or sister, or father that was that 1 death in 6000. You'd be cool with that?

[swbarnett]

what if it was your partner, or son, or sister, or father that was that 1 death in 6000. You'd be cool with that?

No, I would not be "cool" with that. However, I would also not be "cool" with their freedoms having been removed for no good reason. If you loose a loved one the one comfort you have is that their life was full and, on the whole, enjoyable. If driving was their passion you'd hope that they were allowed to indulge that passion. I'd rather be dead (or lose someone) than have a government tell us we can't partake of our passion because there's a 1 in 6000 chance that one of us might cark it in any given year.

I'd rather have 1 day of freedom than a lifetime of slavery.

BTW: The probability of death on the road in NZ on any given day is approximately 1 in 2,340,855. I like those odds.

[davereid]

Yep, the law of diminishing returns has already kicked in.

We can pass lots more rules, viciously enforce them and spend millions on roading upgrades and driver education.

But someone will always make a mistake. Fail to see the red light. Do a U-turn on a blind corner. Turn right without seeing a pair of 100watt motorcycle headlights.

What law do we pass to fix that ?

[candor]

BTW: The probability of death on the road in NZ on any given day is approximately 1 in 2,340,855. I like those odds.

Or another way to see it is that its about one in 50 chance you'll die on the road given a lifetime of riding! Quik calc from - 400 killed out 20 000 yearly deaths from a 4 million pop yearly, x number of years likely on road.

These odds become less acceptable when we don't self reference but instead apply them to our family members. To me it's not kosha that Kiwis have double the odds of a gorey death by others hands than people living in UK, Norway, much higher than even Oz... in fact many places . I object.

Even worse - in 1990 our odds were similar to theirs (only 30% higher toll per capita then). No diminishing returns, Just slackness at high levels. Our toll would be down nearer 150 by 2010 had the Govt changed the draft transport policy per experts recommendations given to them 7 years ago. This was discussed with Cullen but he baulked.

Back On topic. Agreed - that disqualifying speeders is a tad silly as it'll do stuff all to reduce the toll.