Penalised for trying to help

[dangerous]

Ok.. so I said on a local mid week ride thread (as I have ridden with this group several times) that Im concerned with ther riding pratices.
Now I just posted up on the thread take it easy out there cos with the way the group croses the center line ther will be a serious acco, and I gave the example of the guy killed this w/e in a head on south Canty.
I earned myself a red infractment (what ever that means) but basicly Kickaha the mod thought I was off topic... well I believe I was bang on topic and leeting the group know that you MUST be awair of your actions as EVERY ACTION HAS A REACTION

So, Im concerned about fellow riders... but Im not allowd to comment in threads about rides I DO attend.
What do you guys reckon.. I should pull my fucking head in and let the silly wee shits kill them selves or keep trying to get my point through?

* just as a note in the preiveous thread on these rides a KBer posted that he nearly killed him self but didnt apair to give a shit, I had already spoken to this member earler that day.
* also would like to add in last weeks ride there were 2 bins alone

[sunhuntin]

having met you... id say dont waste your time. darwin will eventually show up. you SHOULD NOT have got an infraction for it though... that was unfair.

[cowpoos]

Ok.. so I said on a local mid week ride thread (as I have ridden with this group several times) that Im concerned with ther riding pratices.
Now I just posted up on the thread take it easy out there cos with the way the group croses the center line ther will be a serious acco, and I gave the example of the guy killed this w/e in a head on south Canty.
I earned myself a red infractment (what ever that means) but basicly Kickaha the big headed mod thought I was off topic... well I believe I was bang on topic and leeting the group know that you MUST be awair of your actions as EVERY ACTION HAS A REACTION

So, Im concerned about fellow riders... but Im not allowd to comment in threads about rides I DO attend.
What do you guys reckon.. I should pull my fucking head in and let the silly wee shits kill them selves or keep trying to get my point through?

* just as a note in the preiveous thread on these rides a KBer posted that he nearly killed him self but didnt apair to give a shit, I had already spoken to this member earler that day.
* also would like to add in last weeks ride there were 2 bins alone

I agree with you dude...especially your point about staying you your side of the road...so many riders are unable to ride completely within the white lines..especially on right handers...I've believed for ages its because they are sighting corners/vanishing points wrong...and sadly...alot don't care!! speak up I say...but its hard to offer constructive critisisium to riders with out offending their pride or ego's...but sometimes...what needs to be said...needs to be said...


oh and for gwads sake...don't cry over your infraction...they're meaningless untill you get heaps of them.

[duckonin]

Yep keep offering the advice, your words of wisdom hopefully will be used before, another bites the dust full time !! Went to my friends funeral on Wednesday, lost control went over the centre line, Karangahake gorge (Waihi) don't want to have to go to any more, simple really back up on the pace, be like a hawke with your eyes, live to enjoy your bike and the excitement it gives, ride forever not part time.....

[jrandom]

so many riders are unable to ride completely within the white lines..especially on right handers...I've believed for ages its because they are sighting corners/vanishing points wrong...

I agree. After you spoke to me on the subject, I re-thought my approach to right-handers. I'm definitely killing fewer puppies now, and feeling a lot safer and smoother on the open road around traffic. It's made me more tentative turning to the right - it's interesting to compare the wear on Betty's left and right peg feelers - but I gotta start somewhere eh.



I guess some people just don't listen, though...

[huck farley]

Keep offering advice, you are doing a great service to the younger and even the older guys taking up riding again after a 20 odd year break. To bring up families and pay the family home of. I've only been on the KB five minutes and I got a yellow card from Admin ref, for retaliating to a member who assaulted me for posting a paper from a technical institute. Keep up the great work pal!!

[dangerous]

Thanks SH

I agree with you dude...especially your point about staying you your side of the road...so many riders are unable to ride completely within the white lines..especially on right handers...I've believed for ages its because they are sighting corners/vanishing points wrong...and sadly...alot don't care!! speak up I say...but its hard to offer constructive critisisium to riders with out offending their pride or ego's...but sometimes...what needs to be said...needs to be said...


oh and for gwads sake...don't cry over your infraction...they're meaningless untill you get heaps of them.

I dont cear bout the infraction its just a game for some... your comment on why riders cross the line, well IMHO...
They are apexing to soon (turning to soon) as they are looking to far ahead.
yeah ok we all know this can be done, I wont sa safely, but once again IMHO cutting it once becomes cutting it twice, becomes a bad habbit which becomes complacent... whice means the rider is doing it with out relising... sooner or later they wont see the on comming vehicle.
How else do thes accos happen?

[T.W.R]

If some don't like a bit of shock treatment or finds it an attack when somethings brought to attention or advice is given, its their tough pigeon that they feel that way.
At least when you see something, you're upfront enough to have that consideration & respect to show concern.

[The Pastor]

you'll prob get an infraction for this thread as well.

Dont let the mods dick you around, do what you want to do.

[cowpoos]

your comment on why riders cross the line, well IMHO...
They are apexing to soon (turning to soon) as they are looking to far ahead.
yeah ok we all know this can be done,

I agree totally...exactly what you have just said...they're sighting corners wrong...monkey see monkey do...but on top of that...I think alot of people use the right hand side of the road for there vanishing point sighting line...so they are drawn to the right hand side further than what they should be...where as they should be focusing on the middle line for sighting and vanishing points

I also agree...that once its done a few times...yep habbit forms.
I tell people all the time...everytime you go over the white line god kills a puppy...and I'll sit there in some strangers car...and I will say it...I don't give a fuck...Jrandom remembers me saying it also...its to easy for a vehicle to clip another by going over the white line...and that is my pet hate with fellow motorcyclists...If I'm following someone and they are riding over the white line...It just gives me the shits!! and I just don't want to be there!! I could be a corner away from seeing a horrific accident. and fuck that!

[200BUSA]

Keep giving the advice D but as long as it doesnt turn into a bickering session.Now what do you think about the fact that some of the younger less experienced are going for the rides-stopping and having a few drinks and getting a bit cocky on the way back.Losing concentration.Im a non drinker and i dont mind others enjoying a few drinks-but in my books i dont like mixing the two together.But all you can do D is give the advice and hope they take it in.They all learn at different speeds,so time will tell.I dont like seeing friends hurt or killed in accidents.

[Trudes]

Keep up the good work Dangerous!
Unfortunately there are a lot of people out there that "know everything", so they probably won't listen to anything you have to say. However there are some people out there who don't have small cock syndrome, and hopefully they will take on board some advice from someone who has a load of experience and is genuinely concerned about others killing or hurting themselves doing something that they should be passionate about and want to improve at.
After all, at the end of the day, you probably wish you didn't have to pull people up about their riding, I'm sure you don't go out looking for people's shit riding skills to remind them about staying on their side of the road otherwise they may die very soon, and you probably get very little personal enjoyment out of it.
It takes a big person to take on advice about something they probably think they are hot shit at.... after about a year of riding usually too.

[Usarka]

But my wheels haven't gone over the line so whats the problem?

You can only point out others riding shortcomings when they are prepared to listen. Like trying to tell a smoker to stop smoking, they'll only ever listen when they want to.

but yeah it gives me the shits too. Lots of people have been decapitated because of this......

[enigma51]

Infraction for giving advice WOW

[Kickaha]

This is the thread Dangerous is talking about
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=63581
as you can see the thread originator has asked for it to kept "On Topic" which his post certainly wasn't and I suggested he start a thread in here

While the message he is trying to convey is worthwhile the manner in which he is doing it needs some work and we have had numerous complaints about his input into the last "Canterbury cruisy night thread"

well IMHO...
They are apexing to soon (turning to soon) as they are looking to far ahead.
yeah ok we all know this can be done, I wont sa safely, but once again IMHO cutting it once becomes cutting it twice, becomes a bad habbit which becomes complacent... whice means the rider is doing it with out relising... sooner or later they wont see the on comming vehicle.
How else do thes accos happen?

Now having ridden with Dangerous a couple of times I'd have to say I've seen him cut corners and cross the centreline twice on the one ride and have spoken to other riders who have ridden with him and seen the same

In my opinion If you want to preach to other riders, then you need to be squeaky clean yourself or it becomes "do as I say not as I do"