Penalised for trying to help

[sugilite:Me]

Did they die crossing the centre line on a right hand corner? (I've not seen accident reports, not trying to get smart)
Do you trust your ability at intersections and overtaking?
Did you really set up a pass on a right hander, am I reading this correctly?

AHHHHHH HA, and her lies the problem... the guys that have died in the past the guy that died yesterday all in head ons... I bet if you were to ask them if they saw the on comming bike/cage... they would say NO, I bet you they trusted their ability <--- your word aswell.

With any acco the rider/driver usually says "I didnt see you" well fuck me thers ya answer.

Now You say you cross the line, ok in the last ride I did that started this thread I was indercating to pass a rider on a right hander, I could see he could see.. but he then swang across the center and apexed the RIGHT hand side of the rd, had I not been onto it we would have colided.
Theres to much at stake, its not just about seing ahead.

[MadDuck]

There is nothing at all wrong with saying to someone "I notice you have a habit of X. It's a rather bad habit, because Y. Maybe you don't realise you are doing it, it is an easy thing to get into the habit of. I know I do it myself , and it's something I am working on to correct".

Hey D

Keep on offering that advice mate. There will always be some nogs out there who will end up in a big box 6 feet down because their balls are just way bigger than anyone elses.....

Then again you may just provide the advice that saves one or two - whether you are aware of it or not.

[Maha]

if advice will help someone be a better rider i say go for it .

Seems the guys Dangerous is talking about already are the best riders in NZ and dont need advise!....at least 'he' cares enough to speak out, i have on a couple of occassions....(not in public on here mind you) but via pm and then face to face...im all happy now, they know how i feel.....

[scracha]

I've believed for ages its because they are sighting corners/vanishing points wrong...and sadly...alot don't care!! speak up I say...but its hard to offer constructive critisisium to riders with out offending

I cross the centre line a LOT (car or motorcycle) because that's the way I was taught to ride as it's legal back in blighty.

However, on group rides it's a bad idea as a lot of inexperienced riders don't understand why it's sometimes safer to cross the line nor when it's safe to do so (i.e. when you can see right through the corner and a good distance past it and where it won't startle other traffic) and just blindly follow.

Is it actually illegal in New Zealand?

[MSTRS:Me]

Ok.. so I said on a local mid week ride thread (as I have ridden with this group several times) that Im concerned with ther riding pratices.
Now I just posted up on the thread take it easy out there cos with the way the group croses the center line ther will be a serious acco, and I gave the example of the guy killed this w/e in a head on south Canty.
I earned myself a red infractment (what ever that means) but basicly Kickaha the mod thought I was off topic...

There is no such thing as "off topic" in what amounts to your meeting place on kb. Being infracted for that is disgusting, more so when you were showing concern.
I would pm a senior Mod and have that sorted.

[MSTRS:Me]

I cross the centre line a LOT (car or motorcycle) because that's the way I was taught to ride as it's legal back in blighty.


Is it actually illegal in New Zealand?

It is illegal unless it is a permitted passing manouevre

[scracha]

Not that I do, cos I can't be arsed anymore trying to stop people killing themselves . I realised a while ago that KB is Ostrich Central and that all people want to do is stick their heads in the sand. Every crash is "just one of those things"; "shit happens" ; just a silly mistake"; "it was the other guy's fault".

There'll be more funeral threads here before the season's done. It's all good, my Gene-o-Kleen shares go up.

Blingo to Mr Ixion

[scracha]

that have died in the past the guy that died yesterday all in head ons... I bet if you were to ask them if they saw the on

Bad form dangerous and the accident you're talking about wasn't on a corner with clear visibility. Nobody knows what happened (even those who were there) and it could have been that one of the riders just slid or somehow lost control.

I was indercating to pass a rider on a right hander, I could see he could see.. but he then swang across the center and apexed the RIGHT hand side of the rd, had I not been onto it we would have colided.
Theres to much at stake, its not just about seing ahead.

No, passing on a corner is just fucking stupid. Passing a motorcycle on a corner is retarded. Seems like you're the one doing dangerous riding.

Nothing wrong with apexing a right hander on the rhs when the road is clear. Nothing wrong with going on the RHS of the road prior and after a left hander if the road is clear too.

[Maha]

I cross the centre line a LOT (car or motorcycle) because that's the way I was taught to ride as it's legal back in blighty.

So you straighten the road out when riding?....wheres the fun in that?...

[Colapop]

I remember Uncle B. He said to me once "When you stay on your side of the line, you tend to stay alive longer." I'm thankful for that advice.

R.I.P Uncle B.

I'd rather not say that about any other friends. Always state your concerns in whatever format you can.

[dangerous]

So you straighten the road out when riding?....wheres the fun in that?...

It tells me he cant ride for shit and needs to slow down so as to be able to ride to the law and safely... if you need to cut a right hander then ya going to fast, I wonder if he cuts left handers? cutting the right is pure lazyness

[The Stranger:Me]

In my opinion If you want to preach to other riders, then you need to be squeaky clean yourself or it becomes "do as I say not as I do"

Teaching apprentices.
I would always teach the correct way, but I used to cut corners for the sake of expediency all the time. If the apprentice did things the way I did, he would screw it up and wouldn't even know why.

Preach or teach?
Preaching, I agree with your sentiment, teaching, I see no problem with do as I say not as I do.

I don't see what Dangerous posted as preaching.

[cold comfort]

I have no problems with anyone more experienced offering advice dude-even in my advanced chronological state! Any time D.

[scracha]

It tells me he cant ride for shit and needs to slow down so as to be able to ride to the law and safely... if you need to cut a right hander then ya going to fast, I wonder if he cuts left handers? cutting the right is pure lazyness

That's a big statement to make since you've never witnessed my riding. I'm not the one doing unsafe overtakes on corners and then trying to blame the other rider.

There's riding to the "law" in this country and there's riding to the "law" in other countries......and that's why I don't ride on the roads anymore in New Zealand. Safety doesn't come into cutting corners so long as it's done properly...in fact it's a lot safer than following the road curves. That's why cops and advanced riders in just about every other country do it. You sound like one of these Kiwi's who knows it all though so I won't bother explaining it to you.

When someone explains to me how on a clear & visible road hell it's safer to take the line on the left than the one on the right then I'll stop cutting over the centre line.

[pritch]

On right handers with FULL visibility, I do not hesitate to cross it.

I used to as well. Ienatchs book changed my mind. He says not to even ride with people who cannot stay on their own side of the road.

Quite apart from any safety aspect, consider you have ridden miles and you come to a lovely S bed, so you ride through it in a straight line. Seems such a waste...