Penalised for trying to help

[scracha]

So you straighten the road out when riding?....wheres the fun in that?...

Lol...it's still fun, it's just you're taking the corners a LOT faster as they're not as sharp.

[devnull]

Damn... after reading the whole thread I want to change my vote to "just go along to watch the carnage"

Though I'd add, stay far enough back so you don't collect a body or parts after the head on...

The old adage still applies... not everyone wants to be saved - not everyone should be saved

Let Darwin do his thing - just remember to dodge the mess

[RiderInBlack]

Teaching apprentices.
I would always teach the correct way, but I used to cut corners for the sake of expediency all the time. If the apprentice did things the way I did, he would screw it up and wouldn't even know why.

Preach or teach?
Preaching, I agree with your sentiment, teaching, I see no problem with do as I say not as I do.

I don't see what Dangerous posted as preaching.

Totally agree 100%. Have a Learner driver that is my job ta sit in with as she learns. I back her up and praise her where she is doing the right or safer thing and own it if she points out seeing me do wrong. I want her ta be a safe driver out there and not pass on my bad habits.
As for the number of riders I have seen on group rides (especial KB ones) cutting/passing on blind right handers, TOO FU*KEN MANY. Many trucks have ta swing wide ta make corners, so even if ya not over the line (ya head could be) ya still could get hit. If ya can't see around it, put ya-self somewhere ya can and ride in such a way as to be able ta change ya line quickly if ya have ta. If ya riding balls out scraping ya pegs on a blind right hander, do ya really think ya can get ya bike up quick enough ta get ya fool head out of the way?
I for one am sick of picking up bits when I was supposted to be enjoying my ride. Rant over.

[The Stranger:Me]

Bad form dangerous and the accident you're talking about wasn't on a corner with clear visibility. Nobody knows what happened (even those who were there) and it could have been that one of the riders just slid or somehow lost control.



No, passing on a corner is just fucking stupid. Passing a motorcycle on a corner is retarded. Seems like you're the one doing dangerous riding.

Nothing wrong with apexing a right hander on the rhs when the road is clear. Nothing wrong with going on the RHS of the road prior and after a left hander if the road is clear too.

This here is exactly the reason why I tend to stick to poking shit on KB now.
Pointless being at all serious is it?
You have Dangerous making what is on the face of it, a good common sense recommendation, which co-incidentally happens to be the law of the land (with possible exceptions). Now no rule or law is 100% right in all situations - scracha feels the need to point this out (as if we didn't realise it) but the messages of both get mired in the ensuing melee.

Why would Dangerous bother again? I know I wouldn't.

Now, Talk shit, poke borax, post naked chicks or drag the conversation to sex and the green bling flows and everyone is happy and contented.

Give up Dangerous, take a leaf from Ixion's book - hell scracha even agrees with that

Blingo to Mr Ixion

But I'm sure he'll still argue anyway, after all this is KB.

[MVnut]

Me think you have problem a fucking serious one. It moderators like you that piss everyone off

Well said Enigma, and YES Dangerous, keep doin like you've been doin. A couple of dickheads have taken your comments too personally ( they need to grow up ) but you are upfront and genuine in your remarks. And I think you're really trying to make a difference teaching newer riders (in particular) GOOD habits rather than BAD. Bad habits can be disastrous!! I've ridden in many countries and done maybe 2500000km on bikes ranging from trials thru to Superbike (also racing and coaching but that's not really on topic) and I would be more than happy to take advice from someone who really cares about others (ie YOU) . I have some bad habits still & I know it, group rides are a bit different anyway and if you save the bacon of one person you can be proud of yourself.

[MSTRS:Me]

I remember Uncle B. He said to me once "When you stay on your side of the line, you tend to stay alive longer." I'm thankful for that advice.

R.I.P Uncle B.

I'd rather not say that about any other friends. Always state your concerns in whatever format you can.

Particularly poignant post, mate. Can't say any more than that....

[DEATH_INC.]

In my opinion If you want to preach to other riders, then you need to be squeaky clean yourself or it becomes "do as I say not as I do"

What a load of crap! If he can save one life by telling someone the right way, not his way, it's the right thing to do and it should be encouraged, not dissed!

[AllanB]

That little picture of cutting corners was really great - it clearly shows what happened to my bowels this morning due to last nights curry.

Hmmmm chicken curry yum.

Sorry this was a bit off topic

[dangerous]

Hey look thanks guys... I was just impressed that I spelt penalised correct!
But more impressed with the most of the posts.
Riding is my life (about to change as I have duffed the missus DOH) and it is a strong passion to see it strive and grow. In the time I have been riding I have seen motorcycling come and go, at the moment I reckon its on the rise, which is awesome, but we need to look after the new riders so as motorcycles are here to stay.

Ok so like I said I aint no saint, but I strive on riding well and improving all the time and yes even I have room for many an improvment.
Now altho this thread was brought about by some riders that took offence to my judging them (best interests meant) I have to say there are some in chch that have listened and I have seen them improve heaps, yeah that gives me a big head but fuck it... it makes it all worth while, so I am going to carry on helping out riders and yes I realise that there will be those ignorant that will think I am a right c@#t... but ya know what I dont care, thanks for your support.

Now while I will stick to what I believe in, it may not be right or correct but it works for me and had me survive 24 years riding, so I must be doing something right, so therefore I see no problem in passing on my experiences. I know I'm not always the most tactful online, but I usually have others interests in mind.

[boomer]

The moral of this story.... NEVER piss a redhead off!

[MVnut]

Congratulations Rashika..............oh and you too D :

[chanceyy]

Hey look thanks guys... I was just impressed that I spelt penalised correct!
But more impressed with the most of the posts.
Riding is my life (about to change as I have duffed the missus DOH) and it is a strong passion to see it strive and grow. In the time I have been riding I have seen motorcycling come and go, at the moment I reckon its on the rise, which is awesome, but we need to look after the new riders so as motorcycles are here to stay.

Ok so like I said I aint no saint, but I strive on riding well and improving all the time and yes even I have room for many an improvment.
Now altho this thread was brought about by some riders that took offence to my judging them (best interests meant) I have to say there are some in chch that have listened and I have seen them improve heaps, yeah that gives me a big head but fuck it... it makes it all worth while, so I am going to carry on helping out riders and yes I realise that there will be those ignorant that will think I am a right c@#t... but ya know what I dont care, thanks for your support.

Now while I will stick to what I believe in, it may not be right or correct but it works for me and had me survive 24 years riding, so I must be doing something right, so therefore I see no problem in passing on my experiences. I know I'm not always the most tactful online, but I usually have others interests in mind.

Congrats to you both

D I really appreciated you looking out for me when I came down to chch, & was grateful for the comments you passed on as well.

those like myself who wish to improve (not so i can be the fastest) but to be smoother & safer will always listen to comments & if they come from a rider I respect then I will take on board & try what they say ..there are a number of riders out there who I would not take advice from .. & D you come under the former than latter group ... always appreciate what you have to say

[inlinefour]

Keep offerring the advice Dangerous, the person who handed out the infraction has a problem (not getting what they want for Xmas?).But, its not like its the first time that someone has recieved an infraction for something petty, but this takes the cake.
When I got the CBR600RR it was also pointed out to me that not only did I need to remain within my side of the road, but when I was tipped over, I also needed to consider where my head was in relation to the other side of the road and potential traffic coming the other way. Made me think long and hard about it as I knew there had allready been times that I had put myself in harms way. Now without the help of a more experienced rider, I might have ended up in harms way. I would have thought that by not promoting this (if that was intended), it goes against what kiwibiker is really about?

[sunhuntin]

ooo, congrats rashika and dangerous!! gonna be a baby dangerashika!!

[Gaz]

Dangerous, At least one person reading this will have changed the way they look at the white line. And it may save their life - This wouldn't of happened without the infraction - There's no such thing as bad publicity!

I've Never replied to a post before, but there's one thing that everyone missed. What if you were coming the other way and the muppet on the wrong side hit you. Impact of 200km/hr+. Not your fault, or your passengers.

If you live you'll remember that plonker forever.
I drive(yes a car!) and ride fast but I can always stop in half the visible road ahead. Please If you are coming towards me, stop in your half.

Dangerous, I wouldn't have read this topic unless youd' got a red card - It WAS worth it.