Penalised for trying to help

**_Shrek_** · 25th December 2007, 19:39

Originally Posted by dangerous

Ok.. so I said on a local mid week ride thread (as I have ridden with this group several times) that Im concerned with ther riding pratices.
Now I just posted up on the thread take it easy out there cos with the way the group croses the center line ther will be a serious acco, and I gave the example of the guy killed this w/e in a head on south Canty.
I earned myself a red infractment (what ever that means) but basicly Kickaha the mod thought I was off topic... well I believe I was bang on topic and leeting the group know that you MUST be awair of your actions as EVERY ACTION HAS A REACTION

So, Im concerned about fellow riders... but Im not allowd to comment in threads about rides I DO attend.
What do you guys reckon.. I should pull my fucking head in and let the silly wee shits kill them selves or keep trying to get my point through?

* just as a note in the preiveous thread on these rides a KBer posted that he nearly killed him self but didnt apair to give a shit, I had already spoken to this member earler that day.
* also would like to add in last weeks ride there were 2 bins alone

keep it up D & sod the pc bull.... say it as it is & if they dont like tell them to build a bridge & GET OVER IT :ranting:

there arnt enough like yourself who are ready to put their rep on the line when it comes to telling some of the Learners, knowit alls & straight out A/H who think they are hot stuff but realy are only cold farts warmed up

keep it up D coz i have heard your advice & its good

cheers Shrek

**98tls** · 25th December 2007, 19:50

Originally Posted by dangerous

Ok..
What do you guys reckon.. I should pull my fucking head in and let the silly wee shits kill them selves or keep trying to get my point through?

Keep trying D you only need one to learn something to make it all worthwhile eh.My old man used to shake his head and say "why the fuck wont you listen to me,everything you have and will ever do ive done it" i just didnt get it at the time

wish i had earlier would have saved me alot of grief.

**The Stranger:Me** · 25th December 2007, 22:16

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

As for the PM sent to me, as far as I'm concerned if a rider is being a dick, then he should count himself lucky that someone cares enough about him/her ta give them some abuse about it. Better that than the Hospital or the Morgue.

Assuming you got the same PM as I, it would appear that the issues are of a personal nature.
The Internet is not the best place to air your dirty laundry and for future reference, I am not really interested in one side of a personal squabble.

I would be very disapointed if as the author of the PM claims dangerous was infracted for personal reasons and not for his behaviour on KB.
Though I must admit, it's hard to see why else Dangerous was infracted.

**RiderInBlack** · 26th December 2007, 06:33

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Assuming you got the same PM as I.

Yep. And I feel the same way.
For me ya ether say up front what ya want ta say, or don't say it at all. I don't take too kindly to "talking" behind peoples' backs. Had too much of that going on when I was Nursing.

**Rashika** · 26th December 2007, 07:04

Originally Posted by Mikkel

Indeed a sweeping right hander with 100% visibility is the best place to do an overtake, period. However, that's assuming that your "prey" isn't going to cut the corner - and it seems that Kiwis are actually more likely to cut a corner if they see anyone who's about to overtake. It's all about staying in front at all times while sitting 5 km/h below the speedlimit it seems...

that is indeed the problem. But if I ever make a manouvre like that its usually cos I've sat behind em for a few corners and watched first to see if they are likely to move over.

Originally Posted by Mikkel

Good on ya for having a few christmas drinks - but I'd be careful or the PC crew might take offense to you drinking while having your condition

Have a nice one, and as was said, stay the fuck away from the roads after having had a few!

...and being of the non kiwi variety you prob dont know but appletiser and its counterpart, grapetiser, are non alcoholic.

**dangerous** · 26th December 2007, 09:28

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

As for the PM sent to me

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Assuming you got the same PM as I, it would appear that the issues are of a personal nature.
The Internet is not the best place to air your dirty laundry and for future reference, I am not really interested in one side of a personal squabble.

I would be very disapointed if as the author of the PM claims dangerous was infracted for personal reasons and not for his behaviour on KB.
Though I must admit, it's hard to see why else Dangerous was infracted.

Well, I didnt see that one comming... in all honestly I dont have personal problems with any one, I have always believed that it takes less energy to get on with a person rather than not to.

Now kickhah who infracted me is a mate, but unfortunatly he takes his role on KB a bit to serious and plays by the book only, a rules a rule, fair enough... but we all must remember this is the internet. I would be very disapointed how ever if it was him sending the p/m's but I doubt it very much, infact Id say it would be some one who has not posted on this thread nor has been on a wensday ride that this topic was started from, Id say some one with out balls and no idea of how many mates I have lerking about here.

Thanks again for the suport every body.

**rwh** · 26th December 2007, 10:44

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Here

Hmm. All events in the calendar are historical, however ...

Richard

**The Stranger:Me** · 26th December 2007, 10:53

Originally Posted by rwh

Hmm. All events in the calendar are historical, however ...

Richard

Thank you, good point. We normally sit down at the beginning of the year and sort out dates for the coming year, so will get to this shortly.

In the mean time, courses are held on the 3rd Sunday of every month, except Feb (Clashes with BOS) and December. That said, this year Jan is a little different and is the second Sunday. So, the next 2 courses will be - the 13th of Jan 08 and the 16th of Mar 08.

**Sharry** · 26th December 2007, 11:41

[QUOTE=Shrek lone rider;1355087]keep it up D & sod the pc bull.... say it as it is & if they dont like tell them to build a bridge & GET OVER IT :ranting:

there arnt enough like yourself who are ready to put their rep on the line when it comes to telling some of the Learners, knowit alls & straight out A/H who think they are hot stuff but realy are only cold farts warmed up

keep it up D coz i have heard your advice & its good

cheers Shrek[

Thanks for saying that Shrek. As a sorta newbie/learner having had a 27 year break and looking for my next bike, I need to know that when I am in a group someone will open their mouth if I am doing something stupid. Whether that is by mistake or bad attitude, I want to avoid making riding dangerous for myself or anyone else. And therefore rely on those around around me to give constructive feedback.

Thanks D
Sharry

**Mikkel** · 26th December 2007, 11:55

Originally Posted by Rashika

...and being of the non kiwi variety you prob dont know but appletiser and its counterpart, grapetiser, are non alcoholic.

Ok, I did indeed not know that. Appetiser where I'm from is usually a sweetish white wine (sometimes with added juice, fruit, ice and even sometimes vodka to spice it up) that you drink while mingling before heading to the tables

But there we go - in the old world it won't get our appetites going without having alcohol...

**Sharry** · 26th December 2007, 12:11

Originally Posted by Mikkel

Ok, I did indeed not know that. Appetiser where I'm from is usually a sweetish white wine (sometimes with added juice, fruit, ice and even sometimes vodka to spice it up) that you drink while mingling before heading to the tables

But there we go - in the old world it won't get our appetites going without having alcohol...

Your right Appetiser is consumed predinner. Appletiser on the other hand is a non alcoholic sparkling apple drink, now made with grape (Grapetser).
I have always used it for the kids at xmas when adults are drinking sparkling wine.

**MSTRS:Me** · 26th December 2007, 12:39

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Assuming you got the same PM as I, it would appear that the issues are of a personal nature.

Think I got it too.
The PMer doesn't seem to realise that 'issues of a personal nature' are usually not just in one direction, and history has a habit of going back for quite some time....and that the perception of positional abuse takes precedence over any actual abuse - happening or otherwise.

**DMNTD:Me** · 26th December 2007, 13:09

Hmmmmmmm....maybe it's the people that complained re Dangerous' posts of advice(which resulted in an infraction) that should of been infracted for choosing not to take advice on safe road riding.
I've been riding off and on for 20 years but I'm always grateful for more experienced riders advice whether I agree with it or not.
it's an odd world innit...