Global warming?

[Jantar]

Ooops. Sorry, I didn't click on your second link.

[Magua]

The biggest danger we face comes from people who think we have a concensus and that there is no room for discussion. There's always room for discussion, especially when dealing with scientific "truth", being that which most closely aproximates reality.

[Ixion]

In my experience "scientific truth" most closely approximates the khazi after a particularly bad curry.

[Ocean1]

The biggest danger we face comes from people who think we have a concensus and that there is no room for discussion. There's always room for discussion, especially when dealing with scientific "truth", being that which most closely aproximates reality.

In my experience "scientific truth" most closely approximates the khazi after a particularly bad curry.

Truth's a dirty word, a slippery wee fucker you won’t hear a scientist use.

The biggest danger we face is the rise of the concept of fact as a negotiable item, a tradeable political commodity. It’s usually in converting fact to "truth" that you find the loss of objectivity reminiscent of the aftermath of a dodgy vindaloo.

[Pwalo]

Truth's a dirty word, a slippery wee fucker you won’t hear a scientist use.

Indeed, as my old tutor used to say, 'If you want truth talk to a philosopher. Science is about fact.'

Come on get with the agenda. It's 'Climate Change' now.

[Ocean1]

Indeed, as my old tutor used to say, 'If you want truth talk to a philosopher. Science is about fact.'

Come on get with the agenda. It's 'Climate Change' now.

Agenda is exactly the word applicable to most of the climate change "truths" on offer. And "Climate Change" is simply changing the packaging to avoid the facts.

[Badjelly]

The biggest danger we face comes from people who think we have a consensus and that there is no room for discussion. There's always room for discussion, especially when dealing with scientific "truth", being that which most closely aproximates reality.

Yeah. I believe the earth is flat but will the scientific establishment debate it with me? Not likely. In fact flat-earth geographers have been systematically excluded from the universities.

Look, some scientific facts are settled (pending surprising new evidence, of course) and some are not. Consequently some discussions are worth having and some are a waste of time (as any KBer knows).

[Jantar]

Global Warming? New Data Shows Ice Is Back

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:55 AM

By: Phil Brennan

Are the world's ice caps melting because of climate
change, or are the reports just a lot of scare mongering
by the advocates of the global warming theory?

Scare mongering appears to be the case, according to
reports from the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration (NOAA) that reveal that almost all the
allegedly "lost" ice has come back. A NOAA report
shows that ice levels which had shrunk from 5 million
square miles in January 2007 to just 1.5 million square
miles in October, are almost back to their original levels.

Moreover, a Feb. 18 report in the London Daily Express
showed that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica
than usual, challenging the global warming crusaders
and buttressing arguments of skeptics who deny that the
world is undergoing global warming.

The Daily express recalls the photograph of polar bears clinging on to
a melting iceberg which has been widely
hailed as proof of the need to fight climate change and
has been used by former Vice President Al Gore during
his "Inconvenient Truth" lectures about mankind's
alleged impact on the global climate.

Gore fails to mention that the photograph was taken in
the month of August when melting is normal. Or that the
polar bear population has soared in recent years.

As winter roars in across the Northern Hemisphere,
Mother Nature seems to have joined the ranks of the
skeptics.

As the Express notes, scientists are saying the northern Hemisphere
has endured its coldest winter in decades, adding that snow cover
across the area is at its greatest
since 1966. The newspaper cites the one exception --
Western Europe, which had, until the weekend when
temperatures plunged to as low as -10 C in some
places, been basking in unseasonably warm weather.

Around the world, vast areas have been buried under
some of the heaviest snowfalls in decades. Central and
southern China, the United States, and Canada were
hit hard by snowstorms. In China, snowfall was so
heavy that over 100,000 houses collapsed under the
weight of snow.

Jerusalem, Damascus, Amman, and northern Saudi
Arabia report the heaviest falls in years and below-zero temperatures.
In Afghanistan, snow and freezing
weather killed 120 people. Even Baghdad had a
snowstorm, the first in the memory of most residents.

AFP news reports icy temperatures have just swept
through south China, stranding 180,000 people and
leading to widespread power cuts just as the area was
recovering from the worst weather in 50 years, the
government said Monday. The latest cold snap has
taken a severe toll in usually temperate Yunnan
province, which has been struck by heavy snowfalls
since Thursday, a government official from the provincial
disaster relief office told AFP.

Twelve people have died there, state Xinhua news
agency reported, and four remained missing as of
Saturday.

An ongoing record-long spell of cold weather in
Vietnam's northern region, which started on Jan.
14, has killed nearly 60,000 cattle, mainly bull and
buffalo calves, local press reported Monday. By Feb. 17,
the spell had killed a total of 59,962 cattle in the region, including
7,349 in the Ha Giang province, 6,400 in Lao
Cai, and 5,571 in Bac Can province, said Hoang Kim
Giao, director of the Animal Husbandry Department
under the Vietnamese Ministry of Agriculture and Rural
Development, according to the Pioneer newspaper.

In Britain the temperatures plunged to -10 C in central
England, according to the Express, which reports that
experts say that February could end up as one of the
coldest in Britain in the past 10 years with the freezing
night-time conditions expected to stay around a frigid
-8 C until at least the middle of the week. And the BBC
reports that a bus company's efforts to cut global
warming emissions have led to services being
disrupted by cold weather.

Meanwhile Athens News reports that a raging snow
storm that blanketed most of Greece over the weekend
and continued into the early morning hours on Monday, plunging the
country into sub-zero temperatures. The
agency reported that public transport buses were at a
standstill on Monday in the wider Athens area, while
ships remained in ports, public services remained
closed, and schools and courthouses in the more
severely-stricken prefectures were also closed.

Scores of villages, mainly on the island of Crete, and
in the prefectures of Evia, Argolida, Arcadia, Lakonia,
Viotia, and the Cyclades islands were snowed in.

More than 100 villages were snowed-in on the island
of Crete and temperatures in Athens dropped to -6 C
before dawn, while the coldest temperatures were
recorded in Kozani, Grevena, Kastoria and Florina,
where they plunged to -12 C.

Temperatures in Athens dropped to -6 C before dawn,
while the coldest temperatures were recorded in
Kozani, Grevena, Kastoria and Florina, where they
plunged to -12 C.

If global warming gets any worse we'll all freeze to
death.

(c) 2008 Newsmax.

[idb]

I'm all for global warming.
I burn all my plastics and eat heaps of beans.

[Magua]

Yeah. I believe the earth is flat but will the scientific establishment debate it with me? Not likely. In fact flat-earth geographers have been systematically excluded from the universities.

Look, some scientific facts are settled (pending surprising new evidence, of course) and some are not. Consequently some discussions are worth having and some are a waste of time (as any KBer knows).

Uh, I meant global warming, not everything, heh.

[Mental Trousers]

/me adds Global Warming to the list of threads that keep coming up every few months and require their own dump thread in PD

[vtec]

Sorry to dredge, but it seems that Global warming is still pretty popular in NZ. The media is still on the bandwagon, I'm just suprised they didn't blame the tsunami in the Islands on GW. The government is looking at passing legislation and signing agreements on "science" that is completely unresolved.

Here's a link regarding the main theme of GW claims. Does CO2 affect the temperature of the earth?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fCP_...os=9201sUoLdf4
3 vids for you, to save having to read too much.

Cheers

Jason

[Naki Rat]

...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fCP_...os=9201sUoLdf4
3 vids for you, to save having to read too much.

Cheers

Jason

Rehash of the "Great Global Warming Swindle" by the looks. Two points of contention; Is CO2 the cause or the symptom? And if CO2 is the problem are humans a significant cause of it's increased levels?

"Home" is the latest 'Inconvenient Truth' type production but the anthropogenic global warming link is a bit tenuous. 1 1/2 hour video to download but well worth the HD version to appreciate the brilliant visuals, link here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU

[Indiana_Jones]

Hey don't let the truth get in the way of a good scare mongering session.....

someone is making a lot of money out of this bollocks....

-Indy

[SPORK]

Sorry to dredge, but it seems that Global warming is still pretty popular in NZ. The media is still on the bandwagon, I'm just suprised they didn't blame the tsunami in the Islands on GW.

Yeah, that mindless media. I'm surprised they didn't blame an event caused by earthquakes/volcanic eruptions on a layer of insulating gasses surrounding the earth, too!

Those types of youtube videos are usually all in the same camp as the Loose Change/Zeitgeist videos.

Can I interest you in a book called the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?