Wheelies, wheelstands, monos etc

[jrandom]

Are wheelies illegal in NZ? Anyone know?

We've discussed it before on the forum. There's no specific 'Wheelies are the Work of the Devil' law, but that don't necessarily mean they're safe for our friendly local biker sitting on 85 demerits.

One of our blue-uniformed KBers, IIRC, confirmed to me that the 'sustained loss of traction' offense only applies to driving wheels, so you won't get a confiscated bike boy-racer style, but most cops would probably do you for dangerous, or at least careless, driving, if you mono'd in their view on a public road and pulling you over wasn't too much effort.

[Milky]

p.s. what are up with cable ties on the forks, where do you put em what do they do etc etc etc

cable ties go on the slider to measure sag and dive... Least that is what I use mine for.

*hopes he used the right terminology*

[loosebruce]

Good to see someone else has got an 04 R1. Awesome bike. On the way to work and back today I tried a few roll ons in 1st, just got the wheel off the ground then ran out of space/ balls.
Typically I was on SH1 overtaking in 3rd hard and without trying the wheel came off the ground a few inches. This bike is soooo designed to wheelie, If I can't do it on this I'll never do it.
Wonder where the best place to practise would be in West Auckland? :cool2:

Mate best place to practise is the nor western m/way, i finish work late so on my way home i do a couple of laps upto westgate and back to newton practising. Kinda good as you got 3 lanes to mess about in, couple of rises here n there, nice one coming up towards gt nrth rd off ramp.
It's all practise mate, taken me 6 months of solid training to hold it up comfortably in 2nd, hooking 3rd every now and then.
Whitetrash said on a bigger bike use 2nd to learn, 1st shit happens pretty quick, putt along at 70-80 i go full throttle on mine and ping the clutch and it comes up real smooth, sounds crazy but the faster you are going the easier it is. I wouldn't be giving the R1 full throttle in 2nd though you about 60 odd horse up on me and weigh 30 odd kg less , one day i'll get me a peice of that action. You'll work out how much you need.
The biggest thing is not shutting off too early, when you're learning you're like fuck it's high but in reality you're 2 foot off the ground. Cool to have someone with you that can tell you how you're going and give you a few pointers, i'd go for wheelie missions with ya uh once i get my licence back that is.

But yeah man, practise practise practise, oh and buy fucken good gear and a back protecter just in case. Full leather is the only way.

[jrandom]

But yeah man, practise practise practise, oh and buy fucken good gear and a back protecter just in case. Full leather is the only way.

Bruce speaks troof. Never practise the wheelies without all the gear. Back protector, definitely. And have some cash ready to buy a replacement helmet if you're serious about stunt practise - you don't want to do a faceplant, get up OK, bin again the next day and spend the rest of your life a vegetable just because your helmet was stuffed from the first time.

And Brucey, you're a BAD BAD boy for wheelieing down the motorway...

[festus]

All I'll say is treat the R1, esp the 04 model, with complete respect!. esp when doing wheelies.
Like any bike, when you learn where the power comes on best, and only from 2nd onwards, you just give it a handful and a tug, she will come up
On an R1 I imagine you could do this in 3 also!. Keep the front wheel straight when bringing it down too, the R1 is a bit twitchy if off centre, I know, my brother got a slight tank slapping affair going on when coming down slightly crossed up. Not a good look.

[DEATH_INC.]

Righto then,
Use second,first will be far too violent
Find where it starts to pull hard when you hold her wide open(what rpm)
Get going prolly 100k ish then nail her open
As you approach the aforementioned hard pulling rpm sit upright(like a copper )
As soon as the front goes light pull on the bars(you don't need to tug,just hang from the bars)
As the front comes up lean forward into the bike a bit
Resist the urge to shut the throttle off at this point,keep her nailed.
You'll need to be prepared to pull it up higher than you think to get it balanced
As it starts to get high(it'll start to come up faster and faster)SLOWLY close the throttle till you're cruising with only a small throttle opening
Put it down again.
As you get better you work the throttle on and off to keep your balance,but 'till you get used to it just pull her up and put her down again a few times.
NO.1 RULE: DON'T TAKE YOUR FEET OFF THE PEGS!!!!
even if you think your going over.Taking your feet off the pegs will gaurantee it.Just shut off the throttle,it'll come back down.
I've seen plenty of vids of guys getting it wrong and smashing tailights ect,but those who dont let go of the pegs land on their wheels again,those who do land on their heads....
My opinion,on a big grunty bike,start with sitdowns the're easier to control,standups are harder to feel.I struggled with standups on my ZX12...
I don't cover the brake either,it's another thing to distract you,I've never needed it and if I do I know where it is.....

Myself and Sam are pretty evenly matched these days I can outdistance him on most occasions,but we'll see after he gets used to the thou......I also had another mate on a TLs that could go the distance,but he's been bikeless for a while now.I dunno about Lance,he's a bit of a legend,but I sure wish i could stoppie like him......

[vtec]

Gyroscopic precession, grasshopper. Which is why high-speed wheelies are more steerable - the front wheel comes up spinning, you see. If you experiment enough, one day you'll note that if you grab the front brake when the front's still up and spinning, waggling the bars will suddenly fail to steer you around like it did before...

Exactly its the gyroscopic effect of the front wheel spinning, which makes it so you can steer your bike around on the back wheel. (the back wheel spinning also helps to keep the bike straight)

Braking with the front wheel will also bring the front of the bike down immediately... just like the opposite of a "panic rev" on a dirt bike when doing big jumps..

Also, I can only do cresting or clutch wheelies on my 250, but when I get to ride my dad's TL1000s, I just twist the throttle quickly in first, and it gives me a big kick into the air. Just have to be careful not to over cook it. I haven't managed any sustained (25m or longer) wheelies yet.

[Frankie]

the photos blurry as its getting close to 200kmh

errr... no thanks ill pass

Duno how you could do it... doing 160 is a bit so and so on a bike really... rather windy.... and even 200 in a car is a bit

[avgas]

hey avgas whats the best way for the zxr400's. I am clutching at the moment and am good with anything up to about probably 0.5m but anything bigger and the revs required mean that i have less control. Nott a good thing.

p.s. what are up with cable ties on the forks, where do you put em what do they do etc etc etc

yeh just had a look at my bike and compared it to my friends - his is the same but standard. Turns out my rear shock and swingarm isnt standard - not sure what theyre off, but theyre a hell of a lot better. will get bak 2 you on the cable tie thing, but i think they hold cables. im actually killing the throttle about 10grand cos my spidey sense in my broken leg warns me

[avgas]

What a great idea The allmight cable tie as a form of mesurement
Right im off to go play with my new toys by doin some stoppies

[WINJA]

errr... no thanks ill pass

Duno how you could do it... doing 160 is a bit so and so on a bike really... rather windy.... and even 200 in a car is a bit

ITS NOT THAT BAD, SOMEONE WHO WILL REMAIN UNNAMED, CAN PULL A BIKE INTO A STAND FROM 200, AND THEN HOLD THE STAND AT 250 PLUS

[Teflon]

ITS NOT THAT BAD, SOMEONE WHO WILL REMAIN UNNAMED, CAN PULL A BIKE INTO A STAND FROM 200, AND THEN HOLD THE STAND AT 250 PLUS

Seen Ghost Rider wheelstand a turbo bus @ 300k, (probaly get flamed for this)

Theres a guy in the states who has turbo busa, he pulls some good wheelstands, think the site is: www.superkaos.com, some really good vids.

[enigma51]

Anybody managed to wheelie a suzuki 600 k3

[enigma51]

And Im not talking about just lifting the front a few cm

[aff-man]

And Im not talking about just lifting the front a few cm

Saw WT do a huuuuuuuuge stand up wheelie once. Great stuff watching him work his magic on the same bike you have