Just lost my licence

[slopster]

My thoughts on things.
1. I was speeding and I knew it (didn't quite think it was by that much) so I guess I deserve whatever I get. From a policing point of veiw I probably picked a shit place to open the throttle. In saying that from a safety point of veiw I could not think of a better time and place to be doing it.
2. Can you negotiate at all with the police prosecutor on this stuff. As in I'll take my shafting quitely if you do me for 49km over instead of 52 which would mean no going to court and just a big fine and lots of demerits.
3. I don't really have a leg to stand on I guess I could ask for the calibration certs and stuff and try that one on because I guess I've got nothing to lose execpt a few more costs, but would the judge look more favourably on me if I just bend over and take it without resisting.

[The Pastor]

You could always hire the lady on the radio......

"Hi my name's (removed by request), and I'm a defense lawyer.....blahrdy blahrdy blah"
Instructing solicitor required.

Apparently she can help you minimize the disqualification and/or obtain a work license.......

Worth a try? What you got to lose?

Andy.

how about money?

[davereid]

My thoughts on things.
From a policing point of veiw I probably picked a shit place to open the throttle. In saying that from a safety point of veiw I could not think of a better time and place to be doing it.

IMHO... (I'm an electronics engineer not a lawyer, do seek proper advice)

In most things, the court is NOT obliged to make the penalty as tough as the police ask for.

But, in this case, the law sets out the penalty, not the judge, or the prosecuter.

If you have admitted to the speed claimed, you have had it. Your only chance is to defend it, and you can only put a bob on that if you denied the charge from the outset, or at least said "no comment"

Cast doubt on the radar, the cops quals, other vehicles in the beam etc etc if you can.

Even if you have "no chance", ask for "disclosure". Get the cops quals to use the radar. Get the calibration certificate, and the service history of the radar. (Maybe it has had a dodgy history..) Find out if the last ticket was the same speed... was it even you who earned the ticket ?

It WILL cost you court fees if you lose, which in this case I think is really likely.

But, you get to say your bit about a good road, no traffic, etc etc, you get to face your cop, and he will be getting a boot up from the arse from his boss - can't meet a quota in court, but wages bill the same, and best of all, you might win. Cop may leave, miss the appointment, turn up drunk. Radra might be dodgy.

And all for $150 ! (At least thats what the old court costs were)

DON'T HAND THEM YOUR LICENCE... MAKE THEM WORK FOR IT !

[Coyote]

Oooh, THAT'LL learn 'em!!

Your not a member of HOODAKEY (dicks inc.) are you??

The '' indicated that I wasn't being too serious. Would be a laugh though, I'm sure all the safty nazi's on there condone the camera's breaking their own entrapment laws.

What's dicks inc.? Should I take great offense for being asked if I'm a member?

[scumdog]

The '' indicated that I wasn't being too serious. Would be a laugh though, I'm sure all the safty nazi's on there condone the camera's breaking their own entrapment laws.

What's dicks inc.? Should I take great offense for being asked if I'm a member?

Google 'hoodakey' - they're a bunch of boi-racer wannabe dicks from 'Palm'erston North area.

[scumdog]

In mobile mode it may be in your favour or the cops. In stationary mode (ie when the cop is parked) it's actually likely to be in your favour - you were possibly going faster than the ticket speed.



It WILL cost you more if you lose, but actually the cops lose too.

Don't forget, the cop gets paid to go to court. But he is not being productive. His boss hates that, and regardless of what they tell you, it IS all about money.

(Best investment in court costs you will ever make, cos we all win, even when we lose.

Mobile/stationary - no difference at all.

And the cops and their bosses don't give a fat-rats arse about going to Court etc, well not down here anyway and I don't know of anywhere the bosses DO 'hate' it..

Sure, the one thing that DOES irk me a little is going into Court on a day off when I had other plans (not often) but I soon get my grin back when I 'win' - and I get to take the day off later anyway.

And the best part is I still get paid regardless whether I 'win' or 'lose'.

BTW I'll post on KB the first time I DO 'lose'.

As you were......

[Edbear]

...And the best part is I still get paid regardless whether I 'win' or 'lose'...

Now that's the best kind of job...

[Leong]

My sympathies. Just defended a case in court recently - judge dismissed the case at a preliminary hearing so I won but still had to pay $3.8k in lawyers fees and lost a days income. My case was last on the list, so got to spend the day in court watching the proceedings. Never been to court before this.

2. Can you negotiate at all with the police prosecutor on this stuff. As in I'll take my shafting quitely if you do me for 49km over instead of 52 which would mean no going to court and just a big fine and lots of demerits.
3. I don't really have a leg to stand on I guess I could ask for the calibration certs and stuff and try that one on because I guess I've got nothing to lose execpt a few more costs, but would the judge look more favourably on me if I just bend over and take it without resisting.

I don't think you'll get off going to court, but you may as well write a letter to the infringement bureau anyway - if nothing else it will get your thoughts and what happened on that night on paper as it may be months before your court appearance.

The police prosecutor won't change the speed but will probably make a good recommendation to the court for you if you plead guilty, given your good driving record, the traffic and road conditions etc. From what I saw, the magistrate definitely favoured this when deciding fines.

[scroter]

The policeman was not unreasonable about things but wouldn't consider taking a couple of km off to save a lot of hassle later on. I did my absolute best to be well behaved and not vent. Anyone know how accurate those stalkers are because if I can get a couple of km off then it will just be a whopping big fine and 50 demerits (and still a 28 day walk).

I understood a while back that the rules changed i believe you would need 13kph knocked off to stay out of court. i reccomend a good lawyer even if it gets the charge reduced to something that will have less of an impact on insurance, dangerous driving or careless use can haunt you.

[Max Preload]

As in I'll take my shafting quitely if you do me for 49km over instead of 52 which would mean no going to court and just a big fine and lots of demerits.

I understood a while back that the rules changed i believe you would need 13kph knocked off to stay out of court.

I believe this is the case too - it's 40km/h over a permanent posted limit for an automatic 28-day walk, vehicle impoundment and cameo at the courthouse.

[slopster]

no 40kmh over for 28 day walk but automatic still 50kmh for having to go to court

[Lucy]

Is not seeing the Speed limit signs the same as cage drivers not seeing bikes?

[Swoop]

Is not seeing the Speed limit signs the same as cage drivers not seeing bikes?

Blingo!

Bloody 10 fc!

[Renegade]

you would question the cops integritity if he dropped the kms by a couple.

you will be ok though, clean record etc and you havnt been done for the dangerous just the 50kph over which im sure isnt as severe a punishment

[pritch]

Once when my license was in jeopardy (careless use) I hired a lawyer. I got a fine *and* a lawyer's bill, but I kept my licence.
Everyone else done for careless use that day lost their license.

I can't help feeling that this had rather less to do with my relative guilt, or lack thereof, than of the legal system looking after its own interests.
(Feel free to interpret that how you will...)

Whatever, I still think that if your license is important to you, you should seek legal assistance.