BADD trailer's first outing

[98tls]

Amazing girl,good for you and keep at it ehI to have done the drink driving thing in the past and thank god i didnt hurt anyone before learning my lesson.Much respect to you.

[ynot slow]

Six months loss, hundred hours community work. I was damn lucky for many reasons that thats as bad as it got.
Boy did I learn a hard lesson and I felt alot of shame and embarrassment. We're human, we make mistakes based on a wrong decision and/or the variables that dont enable our metabolism to process the alcohol properly.
And then we learn our lessons (well...most of us) move on and growup.
I do not stand in judgement of alcohol, I dont stand in judgement of genuine people making genuine mistakes.
Im not a born again saint just because my husband has been killed.
Its the stats I found alarming that have also spurred me on..
I stand in judgement of the flawed system that allows recidivists out, the likes of people with ridiculous amounts of dd convictions.
There was a systematic failing chain of events that couldve saved three lives in this case, and Im on it.
Most of you will be wondering why Ive just confessed..whats the worse that can happen.
It already has.

We are all human,faults and all,but some do learn by mistakes,when going back to police station,I thanked the cops,was living on a state highway and said I'd hate to take out a milk tanker or kill someone,the cops said at least you acknowledge the risks you took driving.The embarrasement was more telling the boss what had happened,then having him accompany me to court for work license a month later,plus the hassle of work prior to getting license.At work we had similar situation with 2 guys,both noobies and both lost licenses for wheelies etc,within 7 days of each other.My worry is my 40 demerits lol,due to expire next May.

[Genestho]

Are there any pics of the bikes around? I know they are baddly smashed up but i have not seen them. Fully support your cause BTW, when you make a tshirt big enough for me i will wear it

Lol yea check the "facts" page love..heee, I know theres alot of stuff on there, Ill let ya off the hook.
I do have 2Xl's theyre pretty darn big

[candor]

But damn it people need to see the carnage caused by stupidity.
It wasnt just a moment of stupidity, it was a history of stupidity and a system thats failed and recycled this man out over and over again, only to kill. He was a time bomb waiting to happen.

I also have a past DIC from young and stupid days -
Six months loss, hundred hours community work.

Hi Jos - have to reply to this...

What you did chancing being under is prolly something everyone has done once or more when young - think I would have but can recall no specific time, luckily you got caught and took the hint. I don't believe for a minute the second category - repeat offending - is a matter of offender or of system stupidity.

It is instead a matter of callous reckless disregard for both your own and others lives. Of putting yourself above the law for the offender - many recidivists of whom have perfectly normal or above average IQ's. And of the law seeing no need to offer protection to the public in the case of Courts.

Drunkenness does not remove the capacity to know right from wrong or legal from illegal. Or to chose doing right from wrong - not in my expeience anyway. It often just accentuates pre existing self centred tendencies I reckon. When we have evidence in the form of repeat DUI's of an offender who can remove their conscience at will we need to remove their licence.

But even worse than the offenders who can at least claim that alcoholism had something to do with their callous reckless choices, is the system or rather those presumably sobre movers and shakers in it. To me it and the judiciary owe us better value regarding efforts to stop reidivists. Hey its not like our typical soft core offence penalties succeed.

If REPEAT offenders are guilty of manslaughter or even premeditated gbh and murder is not the judiciary 100x more guilty for recycling totally unfit to drive types. Why do Kiwis especially the Judges who hold the power of life or death over us, have this attitude driving is a right. Recidivists lose it overseas and registered drug addicts can not be licensed in much of Europe for obvious reasons.

The quality of our law fraternity reflects the brain drain. I recently saw records of a law lecture in which a NZ lawyer was telling law students that impaired drivers can't be accused of violent offending and should not be heavily punished because should the worst happen "it's just an accident".

BS - if you don't realise a ton of metal is a weapon when the wheel is held by someone intoxicated you should not be issued a licence. Put that question on the written test then no-one can say they weren't told the consequence.

Our lawcourts need to stop treating repeat offenders like little babies with no conception of the worlds realities or responsibilities to society. It's not true. It promotes homicidal rampages - the Courts issue too many death sentences.

My mothers killer for example was before the courts many times for drink and drugged driving but these fruitcakes kept right on returning the antisocially disordered (a diagnosis that guarantees reoffending) creeps licence... and even more ingeniously sentenced him to traffic school for a spruce up of his sKILLS after a 3 car smash - 30 days before he killed her.

People were squarely to blame for the deaths you and friends experienced. Can't tell me the individuals working in the system with your offender did not know their assesments, sentencing methods and decisions were unsafe. He should never have been allowed to reapply for a licence unless he had proven himself STABLE for a period of YEARS. Food is necessary, shelter - driving not and it isn't inhumane to acknowledge that. Overseas it saves offenders/ vics.

These sorts of stories are a dime a dozen - recidivists kill as many as the official murder rate yearly. The only difference to those killings with knives or fists is that these predictable killings were almost always encouraged by a cheerleading judiciary and defence lawyer team who see road based violence as deserving of an amnesty.

And we wonder why we're in the top 3 countries for killing dependent minors in car crashes. The States answer - give 'em free kiddy car seats cos we already admitted defeat on impaired driving. Makes me laugh how the papers usualy show more outrage at a drunk who failed to strap their kids in than just at the fact they carted kids drunk. If they put their kids belts on that seems like even more evidence they had enough gray matter working to know they were driving unfit.

I reckon weekend markets, supermarkets and just random places would be a good way to use your trailer too. New World are community minded and could be worth approaching. Look forward to seeing it when you get it down this way.

[McDuck]

Only just found them. Fark.

[Genestho]

We are all human,faults and all,but some do learn by mistakes,when going back to police station,I thanked the cops,was living on a state highway and said I'd hate to take out a milk tanker or kill someone,the cops said at least you acknowledge the risks you took driving.The embarrasement was more telling the boss what had happened,then having him accompany me to court for work license a month later,plus the hassle of work prior to getting license.At work we had similar situation with 2 guys,both noobies and both lost licenses for wheelies etc,within 7 days of each other.My worry is my 40 demerits lol,due to expire next May.

Yea its pretty shameful eh when you go through it. And the thing is, is theres alot of people that have gone through the one off and learnt.

I think its hard for the average kiwis that like a beer after work to get his head around the fact we're told that for men its ok to have four std drinks in the first hour and then one per hour after that, and thats based on a healthy functioning liver.

But the factors involved that change the processing are as important as the alcohol consumed.

Tiredness (Mental and Physical)
Mental or Physical Health
Lack of Food
Body Frame

I would not assume that driving or riding after 4 beers, and the one per hour after that is a good thing to do, you'll be more than likely over the limit, of course even thats a tricky thing to say because everybodie's body is made up of different components..

So to all the good buggers that love a quiet and well earnt beer after work, remember the contributing factors and remember your liver processing time. Its all hand in hand and more important than is recognised and published.
I believe those details are never focused on enough especially the liver processing time when quoting alcohol limit guides.

Or just dont go there.
Organise your sober driver, dial a driver seems to cost the same as a taxi (Obviously you dont want DIC's riding your bikes home!!!)
Orrrrrrr carryon as usual - get caught - feel the shame, and hope like hell you dont cause a major. Is it worth it? It aint.
Thanks everyone for your support.

[McDuck]

I do have 2Xl's theyre pretty darn big

We have not met have we?

[98tls]

Out of respect to the Guzzi Widow and this thread after reading the last post i felt i should post this up to hell with the flak,years ago i did some time in the big house for repeat drink driving,not proud of it at all just telling the truth,i got there through a combination of being thick and the system not having the balls to make the punishment hard enough to make me learn,by the grace of god and some luck i never involved anyone else in my actions and theres not many days go buy even now that i dont thank god for that,to cut a long story short i firmly believe that to at least minimize the figures when your caught drink driving its straight to jail with no questions asked,no idea of the time frame but 3-6 months min would be a starting point.Loss of licence/pd/fines etc etc will not and doesnt work...as we see.To the average drink driver it only becomes serious when they A hit someone or B lose things that actually matter to them ie freedom/job/family etc.Fwiw these days i go well out of my way to make sure nobody in my social circle drinks/drives,have had the odd "just like an ex smoker comment" but dont give a shit.Drink driving is almost a disease.

[Genestho]

Candor
So many of those sentiments I agree and say wholeheartedly with you.
I cant be everywhere as I have two tiny and very important legacies from Leon, and they are whats important
Im starting to get a crew and trusting a little more with delegation and will keep options wide open

Yea Mcduck5n theyre a mess mate, makes me feel sick and angry.
I dont know how the hell Leon survived that. Wish he hadnt, wish he didnt have to suffer so horribly before dying.Wish he didnt see what he saw.
Again I say Im lucky we got to speak, which is more than most, not fair to die that way though.

I read the Shaun Harris writeup in the Sept Aus mag the other day of his accident at the Isle of Man, first time I could bring myself to read it as Shaun's injuries were similar to Leons, except Leon had a few more and I realised more of what Leon went through physically when Shaun explained his injuries and how they felt, and how he survived the internal bleeding because of the trial drug they used on him.
Just hammered home his pain more to me, and makes me feel more determined for him.

I dunno..lol..have we met?
Always gotta have the 2xL's for the chunky lads!!

[McDuck]

Ask sidecar bob how big i am....

[candor]

Thx for the insight (: So tougher penalties could register and coming from one who knows that is good news to hear. "A stitch in time"

[Genestho]

Out of respect to the Guzzi Widow and this thread after reading the last post i felt i should post this up to hell with the flak,years ago i did some time in the big house for repeat drink driving,not proud of it at all just telling the truth,i got there through a combination of being thick and the system not having the balls to make the punishment hard enough to make me learn,by the grace of god and some luck i never involved anyone else in my actions and theres not many days go buy even now that i dont thank god for that,to cut a long story short i firmly believe that to at least minimize the figures when your caught drink driving its straight to jail with no questions asked,no idea of the time frame but 3-6 months min would be a starting point.Loss of licence/pd/fines etc etc will not and doesnt work...as we see.To the average drink driver it only becomes serious when they A hit someone or B lose things that actually matter to them ie freedom/job/family etc.Fwiw these days i go well out of my way to make sure nobody in my social circle drinks/drives,have had the odd "just like an ex smoker comment" but dont give a shit.Drink driving is almost a disease.

Hey awesome posting 98tls thats very brave, if I wasnt such a newb Id figure out this bling thing everyone speaks of...(whats the bling?)
I was hoping that when I took a chance to confess my sin, that this kind of thing happened and it would open up true lines of important communication, and that people would realise Im not going to condemn. And that we are an ingrained culture of drinkers that are trying to transcend last generations habits that wernt illegal.
We all have to contribute, as part of the cause and effect.
Im hoping the theres going to be some strong stands taken this election year on this particular area, we will see what happens.

Good on ya mate, good that you are now trying to make a difference as small as it may seem to you, its a major contribution to getting pissheads off the roads, and lucky you have the chance. Nice one

[Clivoris]

Hey awesome posting 98tls thats very brave, if I wasnt such a newb Id figure out this bling thing everyone speaks of...(whats the bling?)

On the top right hand corner of the post you like there is a set of scales. Click on them to discover the bling. Click on User CP at the top of the page to see who has been blinging you.

[Genestho]

Thx for the insight (: So tougher penalties could register and coming from one who knows that is good news to hear. "A stitch in time"

Yep, that is indeed. Good to hear from both sides, real solutions. I didnt think tougher penalties would matter too much, but...from November I started to feel that there has to be something in place.
I dont know if Im more aware of it now, but I feel this issue seems to be gaining momentum, seems to be alot of commenting in all sorts of forums and media
And I like the ad's that have changed to accentuate the "good bastard" sober guy

Mcduck5n - ok, Im gonna! Arent they doin well down there ay? Gettin the updates, go the boys!!

[98tls]

Hey awesome posting 98tls thats very brave, if I wasnt such a newb Id figure out this bling thing everyone speaks of...(whats the bling?)
I was hoping that when I took a chance to confess my sin, that this kind of thing happened and it would open up true lines of important communication, and that people would realise Im not going to condemn. And that we are an ingrained culture of drinkers that are trying to transcend last generations habits that wernt illegal.
We all have to contribute, as part of the cause and effect.
Im hoping the theres going to be some strong stands taken this election year on this particular area, we will see what happens.

Good on ya mate, good that you are now trying to make a difference as small as it may seem to you, its a major contribution to getting pissheads off the roads, and lucky you have the chance. Nice one

Thanks Girl,The most shameful thing of all is that i lost my older brother through a combination of bikes/alcohol.......talk about thick,in this country there are so many like myself who grew up with drink driving being normal,we lived many miles away from a pub..so we drove just like the old man did,hell in the old days if you got caught the local cop told you to turn around and go home(in the car).As i posted before the whole justice system is rigged to put the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff when it comes to drink driving.