Do I pay this ticket?

[CookMySock]

Is it really that crucial that Police are perfect spellers? You were speeding in a 50 zone mate. That's the worst offense in NZ didn't ya know?
I can understand people getting off fines where the fine itself is unreasonable but in a case where you've been caught fairly whats the big deal? You know you were in the wrong. HTFU. or get a radar detector.

The discussion is not about spelling or wrong-or-right, the discussion is about how to get off a speeding ticket on a technicality.

Exceeding the speed limit is against the law, as is downloading copyrighted material, as is double parking, as is smoking dope, as is installing unlicensed software, and the list goes on..

The fact is, many or most people do it anyway and they are able to reconcile their feelings with so so-what, big deal.

Don't get caught with pirated software, smoking dope, speeding, or let ur mrs catch you perving at that 18 yearold coz you are going to get BUSTED! and if you do get busted then carry on that old old kiwi tradition and WEASEL UR FUCKIN WAY OUT OF IT LOL.

DB

[davereid]

A Ticket is an account, to swap money and admissio of guilt, for a court case.

ie..

If you don't pay it, the police will prosecute via the courts.

If you do pay it, you have admitted guilt, and so will get the associated demerits etc, but you will not be prosecuted via the courts.

So, the ticket, while it will form part of the prosecution evidence, will not form the basis of the entire case.

So if its wrong, the police can simply correct it, at any time, right up to the time they use it in court as part of evidence.

[Drunken Monkey]

If you contest the ticket, it should automatically be assigned to the district in which the infringement was issued, i.e. where you were in the Sth Island. You should then get a notice advising you of the preliminary hearing. You don't need to attend this, but you do need to write the registrar of that court and advise them of your plea (i.e. not guilty)
You can then write to the registrar again and request the hearing is moved to your local district court. They should grant this (note I said should, not will). Then on the court day you can turn up and hope the police don't send the officer or a rep and you can find a flaw in any written statements they produce to try and get the ticket thrown out. There is a risk the court will still enforce the infringement anyway. They're kinda unpredictable like that.

Court costs start form around $60 and in this case depending on how far you take it can cost a few hundred (not thousands).

It's risky, but it has been known to work (well we have experience with one case where it worked). My old flatmate who works in the courts prosecutions here in Auckland reckons it's not worth the trouble though. If it's not the money and you're the kind of guy who likes to make the bureaucracy work for the sake of working, you can have a go at it. The real cost in everyone's time is actually more than the costs they can sting you with, but it's an expensive way to waste time if you lose.

[Str8 Jacket]

Court costs start form around $60 and in this case depending on how far you take it can cost a few hundred (not thousands).

Court costs are usually $130....
And im pretty sure that if the judge finds you guilty then he can increase th fine to whatever he sees fit. This is what is was like when I worked for MoJ....

[madandy]

I got pingind for 69k on Tamaki Drive last month. The dipshit cop ( he was white, and a Kiwi ) that wrote out the ticket spelt my name wrong ( copied off my licence ), spelt the road I live on wrong, spelt the suburb I live in wrong, and put down a non-existant class of vehicle. So I wrote to Wellington and said that I will settle for them throwing away the ticket. They wrote back, saying that the ticket is not a legal document so it doesn't matter if there are "minor clerical errors" on it, and quoted some case from 1993 about some similar thing where the court said the ticket stands, and they want me to pay it. Fuck that shit!!

I don't have the time or money for lawyers etc, so I wrote a cheque for the ticket ( $120 ) and wrote a shitty letter saying that if the ticket is not a legal document then there is no legal obligation for me to pay it, and if that's the best their officers can do no wonder no one respects them. It's the old "do as I say, not as I do" routine.

Useless fucks.

Is it really that crucial that Police are perfect spellers? You were speeding in a 50 zone mate. That's the worst offense in NZ didn't ya know?
I can understand people getting off fines where the fine itself is unreasonable but in a case where you've been caught fairly whats the big deal? You know you were in the wrong. HTFU. or get a radar detector.

The discussion is not about spelling or wrong-or-right, the discussion is about how to get off a speeding ticket on a technicality.

Exceeding the speed limit is against the law, as is downloading copyrighted material, as is double parking, as is smoking dope, as is installing unlicensed software, and the list goes on..

The fact is, many or most people do it anyway and they are able to reconcile their feelings with so so-what, big deal.

Don't get caught with pirated software, smoking dope, speeding, or let ur mrs catch you perving at that 18 yearold coz you are going to get BUSTED! and if you do get busted then carry on that old old kiwi tradition and WEASEL UR FUCKIN WAY OUT OF IT LOL.

DB

Clearly, the post I replied to was about spelling.
Referring to the original post by the thread starterI inferred that the yopic was about weather or not the fine should be paid rather than how to 'weasel' out of paying said fine.

I don't download copyright material (I wouldn't like you stealing my hard work) , double park, use pirated sofware (not even to screw MS), smoke dope or hide from my Mrs.- those things are all unecessary.
When I exceed the open road speed limit I do so using my best judgement and a RD. If I am stopped by a Cop its most likely for good reason, I'm not gonna cry about it but would contest it if it were wrong - if I'm in the wrong it's my loss.
Do the crime do the time. Its called accountability.

[Patrick]

No. Just most of it correct. And as fore the speelling.... hoo gives a rats ass (or is that arse?). Its the new standard out there... no one can spell any more.

Does this mean that next time I get a ticket & it has the wrong date, wrong time, wrong street, wrong name, wrong speed, wrong car, wrong rego, wrong driver, wrong spleeling . That I should just pay it cos the orificer needs to keep his quota up ?
Oh thats right they don't have "quota's" what was I thinking [/QUOTE]

There ya go... I highlighted the important part for ya... just to help ya out...
And it aint quotas.... its "Flybuys"... I nearly got enough for a flash toaster!!!

The discussion is not about spelling or wrong-or-right, the discussion is about how to get off a speeding ticket on a technicality.

and if you do get busted then carry on that old old kiwi tradition and WEASEL UR FUCKIN WAY OUT OF IT LOL.

DB

Fair enough there... "If ya don't ask, ya get nothing..." sort of thing?

You can then write to the registrar again and request the hearing is moved to your local district court. They should grant this (note I said should, not will).

WRONG. Defended hearings are ONLY heard where the offence was committed. You can have it transferred for a guilty plea ONLY. Unless it was a paedophilia matter where the entire town was fiddled with so a "fair trial" could not be held, then it would be transferred to another "neutral" location.

My old flatmate who works in the courts prosecutions here in Auckland

Is he still the janitor?

[faredce]

A clever lawyer would get you off that. Probably. Is $80 and 20 demerits worth his fee tho? Plus the court costs if you lose?

sorry to say but prob the best way to go. screw fighting it with the cost and time involved. i think it sucks the cop is a tool, but pay and move on dude not worth it

[CookMySock]

Clearly, the post I replied to was about spelling.

SPELLING!!! LOL

Referring to the original post by the thread starterI inferred that the yopic was about weather or not the fine should be paid rather than how to 'weasel' out of paying said fine.

LOL isnt that the same thing ?

I don't download copyright material (I wouldn't like you stealing my hard work) , double park, use pirated sofware (not even to screw MS), smoke dope or hide from my Mrs.- those things are all unecessary.
When I exceed the open road speed limit I do so using my best judgement and a RD. If I am stopped by a Cop its most likely for good reason, I'm not gonna cry about it but would contest it if it were wrong - if I'm in the wrong it's my loss.
Do the crime do the time. Its called accountability.

oh cmon now.... live a little.

DB

[Blue Velvet]

Blah blah blah blah blah...

Just pay the fucken ticket already!

[nodrog:Me]

Blah blah blah blah blah...

Just pay the fucken ticket already!

i think poor old mitch has bailed and gone on the run to avoid paying.

[Str8 Jacket]

i think poor old mitch has bailed and gone on the run to avoid paying.

Considering the price of petrol it would've been cheaper to have just paid the fine!

[nodrog:Me]

Considering the price of petrol it would've been cheaper to have just paid the fine!

maybe he's not going to pay for that either?

[Str8 Jacket]

maybe he's not going to pay for that either?

Bloody dodgy motorcyclists!

[Drunken Monkey]

WRONG. Defended hearings are ONLY heard where the offence was committed. You can have it transferred for a guilty plea ONLY. Unless it was a paedophilia matter where the entire town was fiddled with so a "fair trial" could not be held, then it would be transferred to another "neutral" location.

Is he still the janitor?

Erm, no he's a lawyer and works in prosecutions. What you're talking about applies to criminal cases. Infringement notices, like Spudchucka said earlier in the thread, are heard by JPs.

[P38]

Stop ya whinging

Pay the Fine!!!!