Bike out of commission

[crashe]

A new 500ml bottle of brake fluid is opened for each bike when all pads are to be changed. The price sticker of this bottle is removed placed on the job card, as it has been in this case, to ensure the customer is charged for this.

A quick few questions:

Does every motorbike take 500ml of brake fluid?

If not, then what happens to the rest of the brake fluid from that bottle?

Is it then poured into one bottle to make up a new bottle?

Since the owner of the bike has been charged for 500mls of brake fluid.....and if its not all used, does the left over (new) brake fluid in the bottle, then get handed to the owner of the bike when he/she arrives to pick up their bike?

[dangerous]

Leaving us with the unthinkable possibility of deliberate sabotage or as D says, a ballsup.

sabotage... I dont think so this isnt shortland st.

[The Pastor]

A quick few questions:

Does every motorbike take 500ml of brake fluid?

If not, then what happens to the rest of the brake fluid from that bottle?

Is it then poured into one bottle to make up a new bottle?

Since the owner of the bike has been charged for 500mls of brake fluid.....and if its not all used, does the left over (new) brake fluid in the bottle, then get handed to the owner of the bike when he/she arrives to pick up their bike?

I was thinking the same thing crashe,

How dose the $400 fix it charge brake down? Seals cost about $60 and an overhaul of the system is like 1hr job.................

[JWALKER]

J Walker has since done eight hundred and fifty kilometres.

i do not agree with this, but , i will be in contact with the advice i have been given to proceed with in this situation

[JWALKER]

I dont think anyone has thought your shop did this... I would think JWalker did it himself by mistake or some how a mate of his ballsed up.

i find this very hard to believe since nobody,apart from me has ridden the bike, let alone worked on it.
i do not know how to do anything with the brakes and if their is any work that needs done on the bike, it has always been taken to a qualified mechanic to work on.
there are only three people who have ever worked on my bike since i have had it and all of them are qualified mechanics at bike shops in christchurch

[gav]

So Sportzone, how can you can sure it is engine oil? My thought was that it could possibly have been fork oil. What brand of brake fluid do you use? Why would the customer need to adjust/alter the fluid if the rear brakes had been serviced less than 850km ago?

[T.W.R]

A quick few questions:

Does every motorbike take 500ml of brake fluid?

If not, then what happens to the rest of the brake fluid from that bottle?

Is it then poured into one bottle to make up a new bottle?

Since the owner of the bike has been charged for 500mls of brake fluid.....and if its not all used, does the left over (new) brake fluid in the bottle, then get handed to the owner of the bike when he/she arrives to pick up their bike?

The bottle remnants should be turfed, any workshop worth it's good is going to ditch partially used bottles of brake fluid.

Brake fluid is hydroabsorbic (sp?) it absorbs moisture
So if a bottle is opened and left for any period of time it become contaminated and worthless.

[crashe]

The bottle remnants should be turfed, any workshop worth it's good is going to ditch partially used bottles of brake fluid.

Brake fluid is hydroabsorbic (sp?) it absorbs moisture
So if a bottle is opened and left for any period of time it become contaminated and worthless.

But my question still remains unanswered.

Does every motorbike take 500mls of brake fluid?


What if say for example: 2 bikes come in on the same morning to get the brakes sorted and only need 240ml and 230ml each.....

Are they both then charged each for a 500ml bottle each.. or does the bike shop split it up the middle, knowing that two bikes were coming in on the same day to get their brake fluid changed?

I also thought that one could buy a bigger bottle than a 500ml bottle, like a 1 litre bottle etc etc.

I was unaware that brake fluid goes 'off' as I have some stuff in my garage from my old cars and recent car that needed it topped up..... That bottle sits in a cupboard in my garage awaiting to be used on my car should it be needed....... so you are saying that I should be chucking it out...... I have only used small amounts when checking levels and adding in to get it back up to the correct level.....

[Mikkel]

As long as the container is airtight I can't see there being any problems with storing it.

That being said - if I made a business of servicing performance vehicles I'd take precautions that contaminated brakefluids were never to be used.

[T.W.R]

But my question still remains unanswered.

Does every motorbike take 500mls of brake fluid?


What if say for example: 2 bikes come in on the same morning to get the brakes sorted and only need 240ml and 230ml each.....

Are they both then charged each for a 500ml bottle each.. or does the bike shop split it up the middle, knowing that two bikes were coming in on the same day to get their brake fluid changed?

I also thought that one could buy a bigger bottle than a 500ml bottle, like a 1 litre bottle etc etc.

I was unaware that brake fluid goes 'off' as I have some stuff in my garage from my old cars and recent car that needed it topped up..... That bottle sits in a cupboard in my garage awaiting to be used on my car should it be needed....... so you are saying that I should be chucking it out...... I have only used small amounts when checking levels and adding in to get it back up to the correct level.....

If you're bleeding a bikes brake system through (both front & rear brakes) properly (flushing the system & setting the levels at the right amount) you're going to use the majority of a 500ml container easy.

Most motorcycle specific brake fluids only come in 500ml bottles.

As long as the container is airtight I can't see there being any problems with storing it.

That being said - if I made a business of servicing performance vehicles I'd take precautions that contaminated brakefluids were never to be used.

Wonder why they come in a sealed container to start with ? once that seal is broken the container & contents are exposed to ambient humidity and will start absorbing moisture

A plastic bottle or container is never completely airtight

[NOMIS]

A quick few questions:

Does every motorbike take 500ml of brake fluid?

If not, then what happens to the rest of the brake fluid from that bottle?

Is it then poured into one bottle to make up a new bottle?

Since the owner of the bike has been charged for 500mls of brake fluid.....and if its not all used, does the left over (new) brake fluid in the bottle, then get handed to the owner of the bike when he/she arrives to pick up their bike?

I was a mechanic at a VERY WELL NOWEN car dealership in Aucks and no i saved it up into other bottles when i had a full one i would take it home and sell it :-) ours came in 500ml sometimes if it was a full fluid change i could scam a entire bottle, same thing with engine coolant, oil. especially mobil 1 that stuffs expensive,

Dont go doing that kind of thing any more tho not worth it.

[NOMIS]

But my question still remains unanswered.

Does every motorbike take 500mls of brake fluid?


What if say for example: 2 bikes come in on the same morning to get the brakes sorted and only need 240ml and 230ml each.....

Are they both then charged each for a 500ml bottle each.. or does the bike shop split it up the middle, knowing that two bikes were coming in on the same day to get their brake fluid changed?

I also thought that one could buy a bigger bottle than a 500ml bottle, like a 1 litre bottle etc etc.

I was unaware that brake fluid goes 'off' as I have some stuff in my garage from my old cars and recent car that needed it topped up..... That bottle sits in a cupboard in my garage awaiting to be used on my car should it be needed....... so you are saying that I should be chucking it out...... I have only used small amounts when checking levels and adding in to get it back up to the correct level.....

Again when some one just needed a top up id normally have some lying around and top up it up say 200ml or what ever then i would go and get a brand new bottle that would get charged to the customer, and sit nicly in the bottem of my tool box. ( was a naughty aprentice ) Please dont worry I no longer am a mechanic.. and my dodgy ways ended long time ago

[Mikkel]

Wonder why they come in a sealed container to start with ? once that seal is broken the container & contents are exposed to ambient humidity and will start absorbing moisture

Wonder why your milk, coke, pasta, duct tape, etc comes in a sealed container? It's your guarantee it's a new product that hasn't been meddled with...

True, opening the bottle will expose the contents to the atmosphere. However, if you reseal the bottle the volume of air that can interact with the remaining contents is quite small. It's not like workshops use a vacuum chamber when they open and close your brake fluid reservoir - and I doubt it's then possible not to have some air remaining above the brake fluid.

A plastic bottle or container is never completely airtight

Indeed, almost nothing is completely airtight seeing as how diffusion at room temperature is a bitch.

However, if both of your statements I quoted were perfectly true I doubt the companies would use plastic bottles for brake fluid unless they had a shelf life of about a week. Anyone know what the shelf life of a bottle of brake fluid is?

However, for all intents and purposes you can consider a plastic bottle airtight for a duration of at least a year. (Depends on the plastic of course and whether you use the vessel to contain a substance that reacts with plastic).

Another thought: Your brake fluid reservoir is made from... ?

[T.W.R]

Wonder why your milk, coke, pasta, duct tape, etc comes in a sealed container? It's your guarantee it's a new product that hasn't been meddled with...

True, opening the bottle will expose the contents to the atmosphere. However, if you reseal the bottle the volume of air that can interact with the remaining contents is quite small. It's not like workshops use a vacuum chamber when they open and close your brake fluid reservoir - and I doubt it's then possible not to have some air remaining above the brake fluid.



Indeed, almost nothing is completely airtight seeing as how diffusion at room temperature is a bitch.

However, if both of your statements I quoted were perfectly true I doubt the companies would use plastic bottles for brake fluid unless they had a shelf life of about a week. Anyone know what the shelf life of a bottle of brake fluid is?

However, for all intents and purposes you can consider a plastic bottle airtight for a duration of at least a year. (Depends on the plastic of course and whether you use the vessel to contain a substance that reacts with plastic).

Another thought: Your brake fluid reservoir is made from... ?

Muppet!

There's plastics & then there are plastics. The polymer structure of a brake reservoir is completely different to that of a normal plastic bottle, same with comparing a milk bottle to a brake fluid bottle.

I could give you a lesson in plastics fabrication if you want but I'm sure you wouldn't understand.
I worked as a extrusion operator for a couple of years and only learnt part of the whole chemical mixtures of normal plastics mixing procedures, to complete an extrusion operators ticket is a 5yr course

[Mikkel]

Muppet!

There's plastics & then there are plastics. The polymer structure of a brake reservoir is completely different to that of a normal plastic bottle, same with comparing a milk bottle to a brake fluid bottle.

I could give you a lesson in plastics fabrication if you want but I'm sure you wouldn't understand.
I worked as a extrusion operator for a couple of years and only learnt part of the whole chemical mixtures of normal plastics mixing procedures, to complete an extrusion operators ticket is a 5yr course

Oh, someone didn't read my post I think...

I'm sure that your certainty in my inability to understand is very malplaced.

And I doubt you could teach me much about the theory behind material properties of polymers.

On the other hand I'm sure you have more practical experience in mixing nasty nasty compounds and making polymers than I do. But by god I hope you made sure to wear a mask.

I guess we're on the same level really - seeing as a Master of Science degree in Engineering Physics also takes 5 years to complete. Aw, bugger I spent 5.5 year finishing mine guess I'm actually a bit behind then. Sorry!

Cheers
Kermit the Green Frog