Cheescutter fails to stop car

[RiderInBlack]

More info on the Haywards Hill crash here
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdeta...storyID=126560

http://www.topix.com/nz/haywards/200...d-on-collision
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdeta...storyID=127869
not sure if all three are related, but seems to be all Haywards hill

First one is dated: 29/10/2007 8:04:02
Second one: Nov 20, 2007
Last one is dated: 21/11/2007 13:44:03
So possibly three separate accidents, but the first one did say:
"A south-bound car has gone through the median barrier and is on its side in the northbound lanes. Police say both the north and southbound lanes are blocked, delaying traffic in both directions." So if the WBR was there then (ie. "the median barrier"), then they didn't work for that accident ether, which is more proof they are useless.

[sunhuntin]

The cheesecutter on Haywards Hill is on the Hutt side. The two cars overtaking the truck must have been going up the hill from the Hutt, towards Pauatahanui, as there is an overtaking lane. The car that crossed the barrier towards the Hutt.

thanks for that... i havent been on that road in well over a year, and then id only been on it a handful of times, so my recollections scratchy.

on the northern side of turakina, heading south, theres a row of left hand side cheesecutter. it starts at the top of the hill and ends just after a gentle corner.
not long after it was installed, several posts were taken out on the curve. now, its placement meant that any impact ends up with hitting the bank anyway, as they are right next to each other... those posts remained out of action for several months before they were repaired.

very interesting that things were cleaned up so damn fast down there. did your workmate happen to get the vehicle details or anything like that? cell ph photos?

[mowgli]

I take heart from the construction site just south of the Dowse Drive interchange on the Hutt highway. In the yard they have a stack of concrete median barriers and what looks like moulds for making more. Perhaps the polys are listening after all ... or perhaps that's just wishful thinking.

[scumdog]

Pic in todays O.D.T. of a Suzuki cruiser upside-down on the wrong side of A cheese-cutter (still with headlight on).

Ride suffered suspected broken leg and back injurie and landed about 8 metres down the road out on the road.

Apparently had got distracted 'cleaning his visor'.

[Ocean1]

I take heart from the construction site just south of the Dowse Drive interchange on the Hutt highway. In the yard they have a stack of concrete median barriers and what looks like moulds for making more. Perhaps the polys are listening after all ... or perhaps that's just wishful thinking.

Perhaps. They have been using them for temp barriers though, during construction.

[MSTRS:Me]

First one is dated: 29/10/2007 8:04:02
Second one: Nov 20, 2007
Last one is dated: 21/11/2007 13:44:03
So possibly three separate accidents, but the first one did say:
"A south-bound car has gone through the median barrier and is on its side in the northbound lanes. Police say both the north and southbound lanes are blocked, delaying traffic in both directions." So if the WBR was there then (ie. "the median barrier"), then they didn't work for that accident ether, which is more proof they are useless.

TWO incidents...
First one is on the motorway, south of the Hill, towards Lower Hutt. I don't think there is any barrier at that point? Other than a curbed median.
Second one is well away from Haywards hill, but on the same road, further north and on the flat.

[oldrider]

Pic in todays O.D.T. of a Suzuki cruiser upside-down on the wrong side of A cheese-cutter (still with headlight on).

Ride suffered suspected broken leg and back injurie and landed about 8 metres down the road out on the road.

Apparently had got distracted 'cleaning his visor'.

G'donya SD, I was just looking to see if that report had made it to this forum.

God I hate having to ride around where those damn things are and they seem to be everywhere down here! John.

[Ocean1]

Only damage to the car that crossed, no WRB no bits fkying at the oncoming cars,

The Haywards incident?

At least one girl was taken to hospital *details withheld* caused by bits flying across the barrier.

[WelshWizard]

I take heart from the construction site just south of the Dowse Drive interchange on the Hutt highway. In the yard they have a stack of concrete median barriers and what looks like moulds for making more. Perhaps the polys are listening after all ... or perhaps that's just wishful thinking.

If you look at the legal side you will probably find that the construction company can be sued in the event of an accident while they are doing road work and WRB's would probably leave the open to having to pay Compo, Unlike LTNZ who can't be sued for negligence in useing substandard barriers.

The Haywards incident?

At least one girl was taken to hospital *details withheld* caused by bits flying across the barrier.

While at Puke today I meet a relly of one of the drivers of the cars hit by flying debri, he has signed the petition today, seems he was told the car just came through the wires and apart from bits being cut and torn off did not even seem to slow down with the wires They are a useless barrier and should be banned not even moded, they fail to do a good job at stopping a lot of the vehiclas that hit them unless they are less than 20 Degrees and are the right wheel height and weight, we should just call for them to be replaced with concrete that in the end work out cheaper and longer lasting, and apear to do their job be a Bus , Loory, Car, Ute or Motorcycle.

[twotyred]

The Haywards incident?

At least one girl was taken to hospital *details withheld* caused by bits flying across the barrier.

yes,one of the drivers(female) of the cars that were hit was taken to hospital for shock,she was quite freaked out apparently

[avgas]

If people continue saying that then the government will opt for the slightly cheaper and less effective option. If they're going to put a barrier up, they should put one in that works and not be wasting money on something that doesn't.

You're right, but bowing down like that is just going to let more incidences like this happen.

It's a PR exercise and band-aid for dodgy roads, in one!

Haha i'm guessing your from the civilised world and not been here a while. The govt is always going to screw us for the roads.
While the cheese cutters are a fucking horrible thing before them there was nothing except a pissed local in a Holden HQ who would hit and kill 5-10 of us before he found out he was on the wrong side.
The cheese cutters are not there to chop up bikes, just slow down the big dumb objects. It is unfortunate that it also chops up any small dumb objects that get too close - but if you havent seen the number of vehicles that have not made it too the otherside of the road in the Waikato then you dont understand the benefits.
Its a nice concept to say that the govt will pay for this, but the buck will never stop with them - that is why they are rich.
Assuming the govt will help us out is not just crazy, its like assuming all road users give a fuck about a motorbike on the road.

[swbarnett]

It is unfortunate that it also chops up any small dumb objects that get too close - but if you havent seen the number of vehicles that have not made it too the otherside of the road in the Waikato then you dont understand the benefits.

As someone has already pointed out, this is like a doctor killing one healthy person to harvest the organs needed to save 3 others. It is morally reprehensible.

[Trudes]

Saw this in todays Dominion Post and thought it was interesting.....

[sunhuntin]

very interesting. i did get an email from comms saying thered been a crash on the haywards, but it didnt make mention of the barriers.

[WelshWizard]

seems the barrier did not cause the van to flip, but were responcible for the delays as it would have cost to much to take down a length to let trafic through, were as a concrete barrier could have been uplifted easily by one man with a truck, so how much was lost to the economy by the delays to those caught in the traffic jam, after all lost production cannot be recovered, probably find that the economy lost more in the snarl up caused by the accident than the cost of that section being installed with concrete barriers in the first place,

AH but wait lost production cost don't come out of Transport NZ so they don't care, so they will just keep useing the cheap short term solution and in 15 years when they have to replaced the ones who decided to use cheap WRB's won't be working there, so its some one elses problem forking out for replacements. As RatBags said to me before heading off back to Holland, "New Zeland portrays its itself to foriegn visitor as a country that does it on the cheap, only trouble with that it catches up on you, Quality always proves cheaper in the long run, shoddy goods and solutions always backfire on you"