I binned. Lesson of the Day...

[FJRider]

Yep - 'had a choice of two options' and went where he looked.

I second that. You go where you look. The good bit is YOU'RE ALIVE... AND SMARTER if you remember what to do next time. (AND THERE WILL BE A NEXT TIME)

[FJRider]

The police informed him that he would likely be charged with careless driving despite the fact that he had an impecable record and had put about 70,000Ks on the Busa without incident. The problem was compounded by the fact that he had no real recollection of the accident.

If he has no recollection of the accident, and no one else ADMITS to seeing it happen, it would be difficult to prove in court, that HE alone was at fault.

[n0regret5]

laugh at my crash!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUtyboh2Pkk
two weeks after buying her..rode away, just hadto shift gears with my hand..d'oh!

[HTFU]

Good to see a Kiwi Biker Tradition is still going strong.

A guy bins after going a bit quick around a corner, posts a thread about it.

A couple of people post saying hard luck etc.

Then a post stating the fact of the matter is that the rider was going too fast for the conditions such as around a blind corner or in the wet.

Next comes a few posts from his buddies (mostly a Auckland thing) defending his riding and how good he is and posting that all that think he was going to fast are dickheads or similar.

Person that binned comes back with more of the accident, how it was unavoidable and what they have learnt from the experience (unlikely that it is to slow down).

A few more pages of posts arguing about safe riding behaviour and finally a smart ass that has read a few of the posts realises its just the same scenario playing over again and posts this.

Bin on a bike = self inflicted incident of pain on a motorbike. More often than not a result of going to fast and therefore reducing a riders ability to identify and then react sufficiently to road obstacles and hazards.

In the interests of road safety most "I binned" posts should really read like this...

I binned today. Lately I have been hitting the corners pretty fast. Quite good fun but today there was... Because I was going quite fast I was unable to... I lowslided/highsided because I was going quite fast and... I have got to slow down on those corners or else I could...Need to do this sort of riding on the track because...and just enjoy riding my bike safely rather than fast.

But as a KB tradition most binners will state anything but, the fact they were going to fast.

[Chrislost]

wHo The F... are yoU?

[Squiggles]

yes i should have been going slower, in retrospect that would have stopped me from binning.....

But as a KB tradition most binners will state anything but, the fact they were going to fast.

Thankyou for, in alot of words, saying nothing, and even then nothing was bullshit. The word "most" is the what destroys your post of the absolute definition of this "kb tradition"


lol?

[Squiggles]

Yep, I agree.

you would

[carver]

most bins wins!

[Chrislost]

most bins wins!

to you perhaps.
me personally, i think the fastest bin wins.

[HungusMaximist]

Good to see a Kiwi Biker Tradition is still going strong.

A guy bins after going a bit quick around a corner, posts a thread about it.

A couple of people post saying hard luck etc.

Then a post stating the fact of the matter is that the rider was going too fast for the conditions such as around a blind corner or in the wet.

Next comes a few posts from his buddies (mostly a Auckland thing) defending his riding and how good he is and posting that all that think he was going to fast are dickheads or similar.

Person that binned comes back with more of the accident, how it was unavoidable and what they have learnt from the experience (unlikely that it is to slow down).

A few more pages of posts arguing about safe riding behaviour and finally a smart ass that has read a few of the posts realises its just the same scenario playing over again and posts this.

Bin on a bike = self inflicted incident of pain on a motorbike. More often than not a result of going to fast and therefore reducing a riders ability to identify and then react sufficiently to road obstacles and hazards.

In the interests of road safety most "I binned" posts should really read like this...

I binned today. Lately I have been hitting the corners pretty fast. Quite good fun but today there was... Because I was going quite fast I was unable to... I lowslided/highsided because I was going quite fast and... I have got to slow down on those corners or else I could...Need to do this sort of riding on the track because...and just enjoy riding my bike safely rather than fast.

But as a KB tradition most binners will state anything but, the fact they were going to fast.

You got a point there but gee, fanks for making it crystal clear Mr Power Ranger...

We are humans after all ok?

[HTFU]

Thankyou for, in alot of words, saying nothing, and even then nothing was bullshit. The word "most" is the what destroys your post of the absolute definition of this "kb tradition"


lol?

Was the response I was expecting. You are a teenager from Auckland who owns a motorbike - prime candidate for someone who needs to slow down.

As for your buddies original post...

"The mistake i made was narrowing my choices down to those two.....in retrospect i should have included a third choice, "Keep looking around the corner and see if she'll go any lower"......

Come on you know what the mistake was...

[motorbyclist]

Before I start bagging the cop, what I don't understand is on what grounds was Bomma in anyway careless?

I mean ok, he had low sided around a corner involving himself and is that enough to justify a careless driving charge?

It's the logic of the cop that I don't understand. Did he hurt anybody else or was it because the accident held up the traffic or maybe he just pissed off to see another biker crash?

Whatever it was it sounded like cop just wanted to have a go at yah.

maybe he was just trying to further drive home the message that public road is not our personal racetrack, without seriously intending to press charges?

whether or not he hit oncoming traffic has nothing to do with carelessness - failing to avoid a stationary object qualifies as carelessness

atleast the cop wasn't using the term "reckless" or "dangerous" driving. much more serious and much more "going for a knee down hoon outside a school at 3pm" type of charge

and whoever mentioned a tyre popping: that is a mechanical usually out of control of the rider, so provided the tyres weren't bald it's no-ones fault

Was the response I was expecting. You are a teenager from Auckland who owns a motorbike - prime candidate for someone who needs to slow down.

......

Come on you know what the mistake was...

nice stereotype you've got there; jaffas, teens and bikers in one go!

so do you always ride so that you can stop within the visible clear distance ahead? do you travel at or under all signposted corner speeds? even when going for a weekend blat?
never been caught offguard by surprise rocks/gravel/water/debris/diesel/potholes?

[Ixion]

Bit harsh. In the circumstances as related (I was not there, and do not know the gentleman), even a somewhat reduced speed would probably not have saved the day.

Shit happens , sometimes. Mr Bomma would probably have been fine , if he hadn't suddenly noticed the rock. Would have just thought "Oh, rock, better take a line to avoid it, and away we go". But seeing it suddenly, brought on "Oh shit wodda I DO , wodda I DO , got choices , which which, OH SHIT".

Doubt there's a rider here who's been riding a few years that hasn't had the "Oh, nearly clipped that rock|pot hole| dead possum|oil patch| etc. Lucky I missed it" . Sometimes, y' don't miss it.

[ital916]

Was the response I was expecting. You are a teenager from Auckland who owns a motorbike - prime candidate for someone who needs to slow down.

As for your buddies original post...

"The mistake i made was narrowing my choices down to those two.....in retrospect i should have included a third choice, "Keep looking around the corner and see if she'll go any lower"......

Come on you know what the mistake was...

OI! , squiggles happens to be a very responsible motorcyclist. As a noob he took me and other noobs out for rides where he advocated not speeding and riding at a safe speed. To wear all the gear all the time. Squiggles also burned it into my head to make sure my bike was in good nick before every ride. Just because someone is a teenager with a bike doesn't mean they speed. Yes bomma fucked up, i'm not defending his descisions or the idea that he wasn't in thw wrong for the crash. But adding bullshit like what you wrote doesn't add anything. How many posts do you see bout squiggles bad riding...non. There's my rant. Maybe you should HTFU lol.

[HTFU]

so do you always ride so that you can stop within the visible clear distance ahead? do you travel at or under all signposted corner speeds? even when going for a weekend blat?
never been caught offguard by surprise rocks/gravel/water/debris/diesel/potholes?

I always ride so I can stop within the visible clear distance ahead. Fucking crazy not too.

As for corner speeds - if you are doing the above when you ride, then the corner speed posted by Transit is irrelevant, although a corner sign helps me to identify a hazard which is the approaching corner that Transit deems worthy of a sign.

Riding too fast and speeding are two different things just as I see binning and an accident as two different things on a bike. Doing 120km/hr on a straight bit of road with no identifying hazards is of course speeding and no doubt still a risk and increases the chances of serious injury in the case of a crash. Taking that speed into a 50km/hr corner you cannot see through is riding too fast. IMHO

I don't drive my car or my truck like I am on a closed circuit track and just because I am on a bike I don't have the attitude that I need to ride fast. In fact its the opposite. Of all the modes of transport I take my motorbike would be the one I respect the most because of the bin factor associated with cornering too fast and not seeing things lying on the road.

Its hard for a few of you to understand because you get on a bike and there is no other way for you to ride it but too fast. All you can do is justify your fast riding pace and how everyone bins bla bla bla.

My first 25000km of riding was on a low powered GN exploring the West Coast of the Waikato. Hazards every couple of Kms on some of the roads and thats no exaggeration. In the space of 5kms out of Marokopa I encountered an Emu on one corner, followed by sheep, a pukeko which flew out from the side, a pig and a heap of rocks near the quarry, all of which I had to avoid. But wicked riding and none of it was to quick that I couldn't avoid the hazards. A few thousand Ks on gravel also helps you to have a healthy respect for the bike.

Just spent last month commuting back from the top of the Coromandel to Hamilton, gravel, stones, shit roads, animals, cars, you name it I was prepared for it. Met a lot of bikers doing the Coro Loop. Can see why so many bin, only thing on a lot of the speedsters minds was making the corner like someone on the track, probably little attention to what's around the corner based on the speed they hitting them.

Thing I get out of these threads is the reality check that should have occurred doesn't, because the majority that post it up, can't accept that the speed into the corner was the mistake. They are looking for their riding buddies to help out with some posts of support, whom of course have to because they are all riding the same way - too bloody fast. IMHO