Hey Jeremy Clarkson (Mr Top Gear)

[erik]

So is it just F1 cars that are faster than bikes?
And is that only around corners?

[rodgerd]

So is it just F1 cars that are faster than bikes?
And is that only around corners?

Anything that can hold a higher lateral acceleration in a corner and not get slaughtered in the braking and acceleration. Le Mans cars can probably outrun a bike on a track.

For that matter, the Race to the Sky sees the top cars beating the top bikes.

[marty]

. Also most car drivers believe that ducati make the fastest bikes in the world, Harley the slowest and Suzuki the crappiest

yup. yup, and yup. although honda gets the prize for the most boringest (cars especially)

[Devil]

For that matter, the Race to the Sky sees the top cars beating the top bikes.

Thats really not a good example heh.

[Sniper]

yup. yup, and yup. although honda gets the prize for the most boringest (cars especially)

Not too much wrong with Honda bikes Its Honda cars that belong on a farm as silage pits or something. Horruble cars, engine turns the wrong way to any other, they are all talked up because of "Vtec" (Cam lobe wears down after 75000km so all it does is make noise) and they are crappy cars!!

Oh, did I say I hate them too!!

[SpankMe]

Ducati 999F04 vs Lockheed F104 ‘999’ Starfighter

[Sniper]

Ducati 999F04 vs Lockheed F104 ‘999’ Starfighter

That was cool.

[Motu]

So is it just F1 cars that are faster than bikes?
And is that only around corners?

We all like to see a car stomped by a bike,me too! The average bike,no matter what it is will do a car no worries...even my dirt bikes do serious damage to any car drivers ego.But if the car guys get serious,the bikes loose out everytime.

Formula One and MotoGP? sorry,the bikes come no where near an F1 car.

Top fuel dragsters and bikes? nah,no way.

Landspeed record,4 wheels again.

Rally cars - ever heard of rally bikes?

In the early days of Baja and Paris/Dakar the bikes could beat the cars,but not anymore.

It's very hard to do comparisons,there are very few points in common,it basicly comes down to contact patch,there is just more rubber to put down power and brakes,the bike can gain in other areas,but when you need traction,the car will have it in spades.

[FlyingDutchMan]

The main reason why cars are faster than bikes is because they can get so much more downforce (F1 cars have about 4xtimes the cars weight pushing down on the wheels) on the wheels and hence more grip. Bike don't get to enjoy the effects of spoilers and so can't get as much grip. Downforce is everything when it comes to grip. Rubber area doesn't mean anything unless you've got down force on it (hence why its so easy to lock up the back wheel).

[Motu]

Take the downforce from F1 cars (they want to) and do you think the MotoGP bikes would beat them - not for long,they would get back up to speed pretty quick.Plenty of very fast cars with not much more for down force than weight,it's all about utilising what you got - cars have got more....

[onearmedbandit]

Power, downforce, contact patch. Cars (in this example F1 cars) have more of all of those than bikes. Hence, an F1 car will thrash a motogp around a circuit.

[Motu]

Just to keep hammering away here - the MotoGP bikes can practicaly double their horsepower,all that is available....but they would go slower,they just can't get that power to the ground - contact patch,not down force out of a slow turn.

[Motoracer]

Just to keep hammering away here - the MotoGP bikes can practicaly double their horsepower,all that is available....but they would go slower,they just can't get that power to the ground - contact patch,not down force out of a slow turn.

How about 2 wheel drive Moto GP bikes with variable power delivery (between the 2 wheels) controlled by a computer. Once 1 of the wheels starts slippin too much then the other wheel will take on the heat. For race starts, when the front wheel goes up in the air then 100% of the power will be supplied to the rear wheel. Coming out of a corner, when the rear wheel starts stepping out, then some of the power will be transferred to the front wheel to stabilise the bike and gain more acceleration cause of improved traction.

It's already being done on cars but not yet on bikes (there's prolly a good reason for that). It'd be interesting to see how they go anyway.

[vifferman]

How about 2 wheel drive Moto GP bikes with variable power delivery (between the 2 wheels) controlled by a computer. ....It's already being done on cars but not yet on bikes (there's prolly a good reason for that). It'd be interesting to see how they go anyway.

Not quite true - there is the Yamaha 2WD bike, which uses hydraulic drive to the front wheel. IIRC, the dirt bike (the Yamaha 450 WRF 2-Trac) is already in production, and tests of road-going prototype versions have show it works very well. For racing, the obvious problem would be the weight penalty.
There's lots of links about this - here's one: http://www.gizmo.com.au/go/2351/

[Motoracer]

I followed your link.

How it works
The patented 2-Trac system uses a hydraulic pump located above the gear box, and driven by a chain (in an oil bath) driven from the gear box. The system comprises a pump connected by flexible hoses to a hydraulic engine located in the hub of the front wheel. The 2-trac is a closed loop system equipped with filtration system and is a self-regulated compact unit. The hydraulic pressure transmitted to the front wheel is proportional to the speed of the rear wheel: the more the rear wheel loses traction, the more the hydraulic system compensates by increasing the traction power to the front wheel. The distribution of the power between the front and rear wheels is variable in order to optimize traction.
The front wheel can never turn quicker than the rear wheel, and the power transmitted to the front wheel is never higher than that used for the rear. This self-regulated system also allows for the conditions, so that the power to the front wheel is slowly reduced so that the rear wheel "recovers" traction.
When the throttle is closed, no power is transmitted to the front wheel, but if the throttle is opened abruptly and that the rear wheel starts to lose grip, the sudden increase in pump revs increases the hydraulic pressure of the system and a higher proportion of engine power is transmitted to the front wheel. If the rear wheel continues to spin, more power is sent to the front wheel. The proportion of the engine power provided to the front wheel is hence controlled by both the throttle and the traction of the rear wheel.

Just like all of my other ideas, this one has already been done before as well :confused2