20 / 20 this Sunday

[merv]

PC, yeah let alone stopping V8 street races. What's this country coming to? It has been enjoyable visiting Oz in the last few weeks, those dudes just get on and do stuff and seem to have the money to pay for it.

[Jackrat]

I realise this thread is mainly about having a go at Asian drivers and our legal system, but I have a question.
First,what's the speed limit where this guy lost his life.
I ask this because I think it's 50km,I could be wrong.
If I'm right can anybody tell me what the outcome would of been if the guy wasn't speeding?
The speed limit in that area was never bought up in the program.
I realise the cops said his speed was not a contributing factor but as far as I'm concerned that's straight BS.If the guy had been doing 5kms less he wouldn't have even been there.
This of course brings up the subject of personal responsibility and as we all know bikers don't have much time for that subject.
Just a thought

[avgas]

good point, also what was he doing taking a passenger on his L plates?

[avgas]

highly amusing!
However, on a larger scale, excessively punishing 'criminals' (there is after all not always a black and white area between the 'criminals' and the 'rest of us'), does not have the effect of reducing the actual levels of crime. In every study I can recall, harsher sentencing of crime does not appreciably reduce crime*, in fact it encourages it strongly in many ways, for example increasing the divide between the 'criminals' and 'the rest of us' as discussed earlier. This has the effect of discouraging their integration into 'regular' society, in short, statistically turning people into lifetime criminals.

I disagree here, dead crims cant cause crimes

[MD]

If I'm right can anybody tell me what the outcome would of been if the guy wasn't speeding?
The speed limit in that area was never bought up in the program.
I realise the cops said his speed was not a contributing factor but as far as I'm concerned that's straight BS.If the guy had been doing 5kms less he wouldn't have even been there....Just a thought

Jackrat you seem to be implying that the rider was partly to blame for using the road that the dickhead (oops now I've let slip who I blame) decides to do a blind u-turn on? You are correct though that if he was going slower he would not have reached the point of impact as the car pulled out. BUT, conversely, if he had gone faster he would have passed the point of impact safely. Why didn't anyone tell him not to be at that exact spot and that second? There, now we've transfered the fault from the driver to ourselves.
I'm with the Police on this one, he wasn't speeding and even if he was no bastard should do a U-turn without looking. I'm a bit sensitive on this one since the same thing was done to me breaking my leg and wrecking my bike. The arsehole admitted he never looked behind, never indicated. He never said a single word to me as I lay in the road waiting for the ambulance or even acknowledged that I existed in hospital or in court. Sorry, pet hate has dragged me off on a tangent
MD

[avgas]

Mike, could you please do me a favour... is there any way in your testing you could include questions about how to use lifts? Not rocket science or anything, like, when you want to go down, press the down button, not both of them.

Heres another point id like to bring up, if you have 2 working legs, fucken use them. Cos some of us poor bastard have to use crutches on the stairs - Just cos some asshole was too lazy to walk 10 floors. Fucken wankers you know who you are. Get some flippen exercise - mabey you'll be able to ride better with some more muscle.

[scumdog]

I realise this thread is mainly about having a go at Asian drivers and our legal system, but I have a question.
First,what's the speed limit where this guy lost his life.
I ask this because I think it's 50km,I could be wrong.
If I'm right can anybody tell me what the outcome would of been if the guy wasn't speeding?
The speed limit in that area was never bought up in the program.
I realise the cops said his speed was not a contributing factor but as far as I'm concerned that's straight BS.If the guy had been doing 5kms less he wouldn't have even been there.
This of course brings up the subject of personal responsibility and as we all know bikers don't have much time for that subject.
Just a thought

THAT is why I don't even do 50 in a built up area with cars parked along each side of the street, you never know when some dickhead is going to pull out on front of you .

[Stinger]

THAT is why I don't even do 50 in a built up area with cars parked along each side of the street, you never know when some dickhead is going to pull out on front of you .

I'm with you on that one, there are particular places where you can GUARANTEE people will pull into you. Outside Universities and Colleges if you drive past them regularly then people will try to hit you with their cars. Is it their fault - Yes, is it your fault - No..., but you get hit just the same as if it was your fault.

[rodgerd]

Build furniture. repair appliances. Repair vehicles. Create building materials - bricks, etc. Lots of stuff - I'm sure someone with the right acumen can come up with an infinite amount of things a criminal can do.

Yeah, that'd be great. Imagine how stoked you'd be when your boss tells you you're joining the dole queue 'cos he can get prison labour cheap.

(This is, in fact, what happens in the US; huge chunks of Dell's call centres have been run out of prisons)

[Blakamin]

I realise this thread is mainly about having a go at Asian drivers and our legal system, but I have a question.
First,what's the speed limit where this guy lost his life.
I ask this because I think it's 50km,I could be wrong.
If I'm right can anybody tell me what the outcome would of been if the guy wasn't speeding?
The speed limit in that area was never bought up in the program.
I realise the cops said his speed was not a contributing factor but as far as I'm concerned that's straight BS.If the guy had been doing 5kms less he wouldn't have even been there.
This of course brings up the subject of personal responsibility and as we all know bikers don't have much time for that subject.
Just a thought

Hindsight is amazing... "what if...."
it happened.."what if" wont change it... I bet the parents have gone "what if" a coupla thousand times by now....
A prohibited driver did a U-turn... "what if" the fucker did what he was told and stayed off the road????

[Yokai]

This couple saw a loophole in the system... and they were using it to the max.
So I wonder how many others have found this loophole....

I did. Until I got my bike licence. Not through deliberate mismanagement (well yeah, I suppose it was a choice, therefore deliberate) but rather that I didn't have the cash, and didn't really want another card to clutter up my 3 other driving licences (UK, France, California) - at what point do I get the "You can drive a car, we don't need to test you now" ticket.

I disagree with the way that testing is administered here for a number of reasons:
1 - 2 tests for 1 licence (I had to take Car test to convert and Bike test for Bike licence - that sounds cool, except that the "Core" questions were exactly the same for both tests - the LTSA could have saved on the money by doing 1 core and 1 each of the supplementals .... Much more logical - any fails on the core = a fail, 2 fails on the supplementals = a fail)

2 - It isn't stringent enough.
3 - It's badly administered
4 - If you have to have a licence after 1 year then you should be forced to carry a temporary permit issued at your port of entry.

See - I think that it is not strict enough ... Not that it isn't needed. In my case, I think that a core set of understanding of the roadcode should have been all I needed to do to convert my 3 licences ... and then the supplemental for the learners bike ... But I should have been forced to do the conversion within 3 months.

We could go the US way - and make it a "felony" or rather an imprisonable offence to drive without a valid licence after your 3months....

Yokai