Learner speed restriction change

[Chad]

Does anyone know anything about a proposed change to the speed restriction for learner bikers from 70km/h to 90km/h? Heard about it briefly from the guy who ran my skills test, so asuming he knows a bit of what hes talking about, but just wondering if anyone knows when it may go through or anything like that?

[EJK]

Hmmm... Then Restricted should change from 250cc to 400cc too

[babyblade250rr]

Hmmm... Then Restricted should change from 250cc to 400cc too

heya e.j all ready for your ride tomorrow??

[BiK3RChiK]

I haven't heard and I just did my BHS Cert. on the weekend. It would be good though. Travelling at 70km/hr on the open road is bizzare! Even Dangerous! I hope your instructor is right.

[HTFU]

I haven't heard and I just did my BHS Cert. on the weekend. It would be good though. Travelling at 70km/hr on the open road is bizzare! Even Dangerous! I hope your instructor is right.

I think LTNZ never intended the 70km/hr restriction to be meant for open road riding. Typical Govt Dept, didn't really think how many Kiwis would travel out of the cities on their bikes.

Good that a rethink may be on the cards, but 90km is still dangerous on a bike with cars coming up from behind and trying to pass.

[xwhatsit]

What's the point of 90kph? Why not just scrap it altogether?

The whole thing is silly. 70kph (or anything much less than the flow of traffic) is bloody dangerous -- and I don't know of many accidents where somebody has been doing 100kph on a straight bit of motorway and arsed off. I know when I first got my leaner's permit, doing 100kph on the motorway was about the least scary thing. Roundabouts, idiots pulling out from intersections and 90-degree corners onto side roads were far more pressing concerns.

I've said it before, anyway. But 90kph seems ridiculous. What's so different about 90kph compared to 100kph?

[jcupit69]

Its even more stuoid when on your learners you can go get on a bike that'll do 200kmh!!!

Iv been pulled up doing over the 80kmh or what eva it is on ur restricted, cop didnt even say anything?!?!

IMHO its a total joke and needs to be scrapped all together, learners being able to do 100kmh is much safer than them trying to sit at 70kmh, and if there gonna speed they'll do it anyway so its the biggest bit of bullshit legislation made by someone whos obviously been sat in an office far to long

[BiK3RChiK]

What about those who are on their learners who don't live in the city! I am crapping myself thinking about going from Edgecumbe to Whakatane at 70km/hr!! Damn fool who thought that one up needs to give it a go! We have the most arrogant and ignorant cage drivers in this country. Tailgaters and non-indicators being among the worst. You'd think that with all the BS getting a licence it would actually improve the skills of drivers and they'd be a bit more courteous!

[CookMySock]

IMHO its a total joke and needs to be scrapped all together, learners being able to do 100kmh is much safer than them trying to sit at 70kmh

I do not think so.

Absolute beginners should not be pushing bikes into corners at 100km/hr until they are at least partially versed and practiced and experienced in the method required to steer the bike around said corner, or they are going to put it in the gravel or into the front of an oncoming car when they panic and pull the bike upright.

hrm, maybe if newbs can be given training on the basic countersteer, and if they can adjust their line mid-corner without use of the throttle or brakes, *then* they might be able to use 100km/hr, but not before in my opinion.

So they have to go slow for 6months - get over it, and stay alive.


DB

[snot]

I do not think so.

Absolute beginners should not be pushing bikes into corners at 100km/hr until they are at least partially versed and practiced and experienced in the method required to steer the bike around said corner, or they are going to put it in the gravel or into the front of an oncoming car when they panic and pull the bike upright.

hrm, maybe if newbs can be given training on the basic countersteer, and if they can adjust their line mid-corner without use of the throttle or brakes, *then* they might be able to use 100km/hr, but not before in my opinion.

So they have to go slow for 6months - get over it, and stay alive.


DB

+1
Hey I've got an idea, how about you all stop bitching about it and get off your asses and do something.

[xwhatsit]

I do not think so.

Absolute beginners should not be pushing bikes into corners at 100km/hr until they are at least partially versed and practiced and experienced in the method required to steer the bike around said corner, or they are going to put it in the gravel or into the front of an oncoming car when they panic and pull the bike upright.

hrm, maybe if newbs can be given training on the basic countersteer, and if they can adjust their line mid-corner without use of the throttle or brakes, *then* they might be able to use 100km/hr, but not before in my opinion.

So they have to go slow for 6months - get over it, and stay alive.


DB

You're not getting it. Most learners shit themselves around corners, so they take it slow anyway in twistie bits. What the issue is, is when most people get their learners they use their bike to commute, often which requires using the motorway. Doing 70kph on an Auckland motorway when the accepted speed is often 110kph (trucks included) is feckin' dangerous. Perhaps the tractors only do 70kph in Bumfuck Idaho/Edgecumbe anyway.

Open road cornering doesn't enter into it. Doing 70kph into a 45kph corner is just as bad as doing 100kph into a 60kph corner when you're a newb. You look at most newbs (certainly me) and they are terrified of leaning the bike -- so they slow right down and crawl around corners. What newbs do you know that get a bike and instantly go and seek out the Coro loop?

[jcupit69]

You're not getting it. Most learners shit themselves around corners, so they take it slow anyway in twistie bits. What the issue is, is when most people get their learners they use their bike to commute, often which requires using the motorway. Doing 70kph on an Auckland motorway when the accepted speed is often 110kph (trucks included) is feckin' dangerous. Perhaps the tractors only do 70kph in Bumfuck Idaho/Edgecumbe anyway.

Open road cornering doesn't enter into it. Doing 70kph into a 45kph corner is just as bad as doing 100kph into a 60kph corner when you're a newb. You look at most newbs (certainly me) and they are terrified of leaning the bike -- so they slow right down and crawl around corners. What newbs do you know that get a bike and instantly go and seek out the Coro loop?

Exactly, learner riders arent gonna be trying to take the twistys at 100kph, when there on the motorway its not safe sitting at 70 while everyone around you is doing 100kph. +1 for you

[Ragingrob]

You're not getting it. Most learners shit themselves around corners, so they take it slow anyway in twistie bits. What the issue is, is when most people get their learners they use their bike to commute, often which requires using the motorway. Doing 70kph on an Auckland motorway when the accepted speed is often 110kph (trucks included) is feckin' dangerous. Perhaps the tractors only do 70kph in Bumfuck Idaho/Edgecumbe anyway.

Open road cornering doesn't enter into it. Doing 70kph into a 45kph corner is just as bad as doing 100kph into a 60kph corner when you're a newb. You look at most newbs (certainly me) and they are terrified of leaning the bike -- so they slow right down and crawl around corners. What newbs do you know that get a bike and instantly go and seek out the Coro loop?

Damn straight, more likely that a car L plate or restricted will hit us anyway when they're going 100 than if we're allowed to. 100 will be the speed limit, not the target, just like the signs!

[Chad]

I totally agree with 70 being crap, and prob far more dangerous. I think 90 would at least be more acceptable. I don't know what its like elsewhere, but 90 seems to be a pretty accepted speed in and around Wellington now, wether its due to price of petrol or just the slow retardation of road users that seems to be slowly happening.

And totally agree with the newbie thing. Sure, on the day I sat my skills test, I was pushing 120 on the straights on the way home, simply for the pure pleasure of speed and adrenaline, even though stupid. But my first time over the rimutakas a week or so later I was like a grandma round most of those corners

[CookMySock]

You're not getting it. Most learners shit themselves around corners, so they take it slow anyway in twistie bits.

fairy nuff.

edit: aww why neg rep for me for not understanding something ?

DB