To give advice or not

[F5 Dave]

If I can hark back to what I was talking about before, I believe that if you are looking far enough ahead & around the corner you will naturally lean a lot further more confidently.

I find I lean a lot less on the road because I don’t trust the traction to be consistent. On the track you can try bit by bit, but more lean-angle requires more traction & less oil, gravel, shiny bits, stutter bumps, etc.

[Sniper]

I think I need to ride with more people and need to lean more. I guess Im just still a bit nervous after the accident

[scroter]

all i could add is just relax as much as you can(yep its possible to relax and concentrate at the same time) when your not relaxed your at your most vulnreble, also your probably goin too fast for your bike/self. if your not relaxing properly slow down a bit and be smooth youll have way more fun.

[aff-man]

If you ran wide on a corner we are talking more than lean angle - sure,you didn't have enough...but why? Your corner approach was wrong,speed,braking,apex,not looking far enough into the corner.Get the basics right and the CORRECT lean angle will come.Too much angle will do nothing for corner speed except looks...which is what I was talking about.

If you say so. BUT if you read what i wrote i was talking about speed. I apexed the corner right, was looking through the corner not at it, and breaking was good. The thing is if i had done more lean the speed i was going would have been fine for the corner. eg 2) last week found myself going a bit quick around a tight corner, just dipped in a bit more (found the edge of my front tyre) but i managed not to run wide.
Though i am not a leaning demon either. And i know of the posers you talk about who seem to want to get thier knee down going around a 65km/h corner at 50.

[750Y]

I do have a question on leaning if someone could offer some advice. I go into the corner I have a reasonble line, but I still seem to only lean so far, (this maybe in my head) I would like to be able to go thru the corners a bit quicker but I dont think I am leaning over far enough?, any tricks to do it. I understand the countersteering thing and put that into practise, but I just feel I would be able to go thru the corner faster if I was able to lean over more.

hey JB, well you sure got some advice here, so all crystal clear on the leaning thing now?..lol. Wanna get a little practise in later this week some evening? We can maybe ride round a few more corners for practise.
send me a PM some time.

[Riff Raff]

Oh dear - Rant ahead:
I got myself in major defensive mode with my flatmate last night when he decided to give me his unsolicited opinion on my riding. He doesn't think I'm ready to get a bigger bike cos I don't know how to ride apparently. Now since the last time he actually observed me riding was a year ago, apart from pulling in and out of the driveway, I asked him how he could make that comment. He wouldn't (or couldn't) tell me. Then he said the test of whether you are ready to upgrade to a bigger bike is to ride standing on the pegs with your arms out. Well funnily enough I had been doing just that on my ride home when I got a bit bored following a long line of traffic. Was tempted to do it past a who had pulled over someone, but thought better of it. A few other things were said which made the atmosphere a tad frosty. Personally I think I'm ready for a bigger bike and I guess that's the most important thing. I don't plan to go nuts on it and there will be a decent settling in period while I get used to it.
His other great words of wisdom are that you can't be a good rider unless you've made every f@#k up there is to be made. Go figure!

[Motu]

His other great words of wisdom are that you can't be a good rider unless you've made every f@#k up there is to be made. Go figure!

Damn,I hate those sort of thinking people,as bad as those who say...'it's not a matter of if you fall of,but when'...I got a major rant about that one and might start a thread on it,there's some stupid people out there giving advice on riding.

[Motoracer]

Oh dear - Rant ahead:
I got myself in major defensive mode with my flatmate last night when he decided to give me his unsolicited opinion on my riding. He doesn't think I'm ready to get a bigger bike cos I don't know how to ride apparently. Now since the last time he actually observed me riding was a year ago, apart from pulling in and out of the driveway, I asked him how he could make that comment. He wouldn't (or couldn't) tell me. Then he said the test of whether you are ready to upgrade to a bigger bike is to ride standing on the pegs with your arms out. Well funnily enough I had been doing just that on my ride home when I got a bit bored following a long line of traffic. Was tempted to do it past a who had pulled over someone, but thought better of it. A few other things were said which made the atmosphere a tad frosty. Personally I think I'm ready for a bigger bike and I guess that's the most important thing. I don't plan to go nuts on it and there will be a decent settling in period while I get used to it.
His other great words of wisdom are that you can't be a good rider unless you've made every f@#k up there is to be made. Go figure!

He sounds like a bit of an idiot. No offense intended.

[F5 Dave]

RiffRaff: re flatmate

Best advice I ever heard:

‘Listen to what people say, but don’t listen to what people say’


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[FROSTY:Me]

The two guys I got it from I sopose are sorta experienced riders.
1-Relax -if youre tense the ride will feel like shit and you will feel exhausted.
If the problem is your speed then slow down --In your case there aint a prize at the end for coming first.
As a personal note -when I slowed down about 20% from race pace i actually went faster after a couple of laps yet I felt like I was cruising it.
You will learn NOTHING if you always feel you're right on the ragged edge.
2) stay smooth -Hard to do when you're trying to absorb a bunch of new information but smooth on and off the throttle and smooth braking disturbs the bike less which feels nicer and so more settled in corners.
3) ITs a Mental thing -or-its a mind game . Unless there is something wrong with your bike -and I doubt there is the only thing stopping you from leaning deep into corners is your self confidence.
4) Motu covered this one off-style is nothing when it comes to corners. The guys hanging WAAAY off their bikes might look like theyre going faster but if you're more comfortable staying on the bike then stay on the bike.
If ya want your bike looked over just to be sure nothings loose or missalighned Ill be happy to cast an eye over her for ya.

[Quasievil]

Oh dear - Rant ahead:
I got myself in major defensive mode with my flatmate last night when he decided to give me his unsolicited opinion on my riding. He doesn't think I'm ready to get a bigger bike cos I don't know how to ride apparently. Now since the last time he actually observed me riding was a year ago, apart from pulling in and out of the driveway, I asked him how he could make that comment. He wouldn't (or couldn't) tell me. Then he said the test of whether you are ready to upgrade to a bigger bike is to ride standing on the pegs with your arms out. Well funnily enough I had been doing just that on my ride home when I got a bit bored following a long line of traffic. Was tempted to do it past a who had pulled over someone, but thought better of it. A few other things were said which made the atmosphere a tad frosty. Personally I think I'm ready for a bigger bike and I guess that's the most important thing. I don't plan to go nuts on it and there will be a decent settling in period while I get used to it.
His other great words of wisdom are that you can't be a good rider unless you've made every f@#k up there is to be made. Go figure!

It more about how mentally ready you are for a bigger bike, they all have throttles, you could buy a ZX10R and ride at the speed limit always and be as safe if not safer than that on a 250 cc, Yes? so do want you want just be sure youre mentally mature enough ish to handle the ability to go fast if you want

[aff-man]

Oh dear - Rant ahead:
I got myself in major defensive mode with my flatmate last night when he decided to give me his unsolicited opinion on my riding. He doesn't think I'm ready to get a bigger bike cos I don't know how to ride apparently. Now since the last time he actually observed me riding was a year ago, apart from pulling in and out of the driveway, I asked him how he could make that comment. He wouldn't (or couldn't) tell me. Then he said the test of whether you are ready to upgrade to a bigger bike is to ride standing on the pegs with your arms out. Well funnily enough I had been doing just that on my ride home when I got a bit bored following a long line of traffic. Was tempted to do it past a who had pulled over someone, but thought better of it. A few other things were said which made the atmosphere a tad frosty. Personally I think I'm ready for a bigger bike and I guess that's the most important thing. I don't plan to go nuts on it and there will be a decent settling in period while I get used to it.
His other great words of wisdom are that you can't be a good rider unless you've made every f@#k up there is to be made. Go figure!

Does he know that except for the big power boost, Bigger bikes (well i have found) are easier/smoother to ride. The 400 is heaps more stable than the 250 and i got over the power thing pretty quickley hence me now wishing i had gone for a 600

P.s. the 400 is still for sale

[FROSTY:Me]

It more about how mentally ready you are for a bigger bike, they all have throttles, you could buy a ZX10R and ride at the speed limit always and be as safe if not safer than that on a 250 cc, Yes? so do want you want just be sure youre mentally mature enough ish to handle the ability to go fast if you want

A couple of months ago I'da totally agreed with ya BUT.
After riding the whale to and from work Id add the proviso--as long as you can handle the weight at low speed. -I can't with the whals so I'm selling it -its too bloody heavy for me to feel comfortable

[Motoracer]

you could buy a ZX10R and ride at the speed limit always

Good luck!

[merv]

Riff Raff what I don't understand is how come all these people keep giving you advice anyway? Or are you provocative with your comment to them so that they can't help themselves?

Having ridden myself for 35 years I don't ever remember just telling someone they ride like shit or don't know how to ride or whatever. With a bunch of close mates, sure we've had a few laughs about each other, but not quite in the way you seem to be describing. Also if people ask for advice I don't mind giving it but usually nothing needs to be said, your riding speaks for itself and if you need to learn anything you can generally learn by observation.

I mentioned Ben Townley earlier and he has said he watched recordings of Everts riding and modelled himself on Everts smooth style.