Plans to reduce speed camera tollerance to 5 km/h and add demerit points!

**Mitch** · 13th August 2003, 22:14

Originally posted by Kokopelli
The Government's goal is to have fewer than 300 fatalities and 4500 hospital admissions a year as a result of road crashes by 2010. An interim step is to reduce fatalities to 400 and hospital admissions to 5870 by next year. Last year's road toll of 404 was the lowest since 1963

Ya generating an extra couple of million in revenue has nothing to do with it

**Marmoot** · 13th August 2003, 22:36

extra couple of million dollars will mean more armco median (less head on collission), better roading surface (less slide), dual-laning (less head on, again). etc.

And probably 40% LESS DRIVER ON THE ROAD DUE TO LICENCE SUSPENSION!!!!
THIS STUPIDITY OF NOT RECOGNIZING THE LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURN MUST STOP!!!!

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**SPman** · 14th August 2003, 23:20

more armco median (less head on collission),

nah....probably that wire cheesecutter fence they are putting on the motorway..(its cheaper)

Political tolerance limits are bullshit. Take all discretion and judgement out of the hands of the cops and then wonder why we treat them with contempt.......

For those of you who frequent Esportbike .com, there was a thread about this some time ago. Among the many officers on the site, the average tolerance they applied on the open road in good conditions, riding safely, etc, was between 15-18 MPH over the limit. (25-30k).

5k tolerance....what a pack of wankers and about what you would expect from Swain and Hawkins!.

**DZL** · 21st August 2003, 14:23

Wkid One said;-

There must be a statistically accepted number of road fatalities based on vehicles/miles registered/done.

Perzackly! With 'X' squillion miles covered by 'Y' drivers there MUST be a proportion of 'shit happens' type events . . . usually caused by folks being in some way 'switched off' & thinking about something far removed from their rearview mirror, indicators, peripheral vision, etc etc . .. . my guess would be that the statistical 'plateau' will only be escaped if/when they find a way to detect & combat the 'mind in neutral' mode!

The way they seem to do this in Oz is by using the 'zero tolerance' thing to keep drivers switched ON & paying attention. Over there they will ping you for the slightest unfringement (wouldja believe for having ya front wheel over the wrong white line accross the lane at intersections!) & it sure does tend to keep ya paying 'attention'!

Mebbe hidden cameras & more points would acheive the same thing (by making us stay alert for secret spooks), but me personally I would rather see the plods pulling people over & pinging the idjuts for not indicating well before turning, stuff like that.

CIAO

**What?** · 21st August 2003, 19:46

I trust everyone is writing to Paul Swain and their local MP...

**Marmoot** · 21st August 2003, 22:26

can they read??

**What?** · 22nd August 2003, 06:13

Originally posted by Marmoot
can they read??

Don't believe so. Rumour is they have wet nurses to read stuff out loud to them.

**750Y** · 23rd August 2003, 14:53

here's an idea, how about the goverment legislates to have speed governors on all motor vehicles, which limits them to 104 km/h. and trucks to 84km/h.

and wtf is that "fair weather rider" doing next to my name???

**Lou Girardin** · 25th August 2003, 08:22

The Police will argue that it's extremely rare that an unmodified vehicles speedo will read slow. Unfortunately they're right. As for enforcing the 5 km/h tolerance, most people pay the fine. Those that defend it have no chance with JP's hearing cases. They'd believe day was night if a Policeman said so!
The best action everyone can take is to write letters to various media, and send copies to your MP, disputing Police policies. It takes mere minutes and really winds the cops up. I've had personal replies from the Superintendant of traffic policing, trying to convert me to their version of the way, the truth and the light.
If there is enough public outrage, even the hundreds of millions in fines won't compensate for the loss of votes.
P S. Buy a good radar detector and a laser jammer.

**Dafe** · 11th May 2005, 20:18

To me it's plain and simple!!!
Madam Helen F*&$ing Clarke and her piss bandit Labour party are so intent on making our country operate like the southeast asian countries!
I'm sick of Helens trade policies!!!
I'm had a F$&king guttsfull of Helen's Beneficiary Policies!!!!

Did you hear about her defence policy???

Helen Clarke just scrapped the Airforces Strike Wing to remove a $60 million dollar defence cost!!!
Did anyone at all hear her saying how she is so supportive of the Airforce and in to show it she will insert $20 miliion dollars into the Airforce over a 10 year period!!!
She braggs coz NZer's are so thick, they think she's doing great things when infact she is trying to make herself look good by providing only half of the facts!
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER $40 MILLION DOLLARS, HELEN CLARKE???
DID YOU GIVE TO SOLO MUMS OR TO LIFETIME DOLE BLUDGING IMMIGRANTS???
Helen Clarke and her Labour Party are behind your Traffic fines and since roadusers are complying and the monetary fines are drying up, the gready B&#$h and her B&#$ettes are now suggesting anything, rediculous or not, to keep the money rolling out of the workers pockets!!!
She's also figured that Police Officers are more profitable as fine collectors!
Fuck you and I!!!! - The Helen Clarke Attitude.

**MikeL** · 11th May 2005, 21:00

Why did I just waste a few minutes of my life reading the previous post?
Don't bother to answer - it's a rhetorical question.

**Lou Girardin** · 12th May 2005, 11:01

Originally Posted by Dafe

To me it's plain and simple!!!
Madam Helen F*&$ing Clarke and her piss bandit Labour party are so intent on making our country operate like the southeast asian countries!
I'm sick of Helens trade policies!!!
I'm had a F$&king guttsfull of Helen's Beneficiary Policies!!!!

Did you hear about her defence policy???

Helen Clarke just scrapped the Airforces Strike Wing to remove a $60 million dollar defence cost!!!
Did anyone at all hear her saying how she is so supportive of the Airforce and in to show it she will insert $20 miliion dollars into the Airforce over a 10 year period!!!
She braggs coz NZer's are so thick, they think she's doing great things when infact she is trying to make herself look good by providing only half of the facts!
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER $40 MILLION DOLLARS, HELEN CLARKE???
DID YOU GIVE TO SOLO MUMS OR TO LIFETIME DOLE BLUDGING IMMIGRANTS???
Helen Clarke and her Labour Party are behind your Traffic fines and since roadusers are complying and the monetary fines are drying up, the gready B&#$h and her B&#$ettes are now suggesting anything, rediculous or not, to keep the money rolling out of the workers pockets!!!
She's also figured that Police Officers are more profitable as fine collectors!
Fuck you and I!!!! - The Helen Clarke Attitude.

I take it that you won't be voting Labour?

**250learna** · 12th May 2005, 11:35

Originally Posted by MikeL

Don't laugh too soon: they're talking seriously about that in at least one Australian state (Victoria, which seems to be the model that N.Z. for some unaccountable reason usually follows).

As for getting the road toll down to 300, there is something called the law of diminishing returns which will mean that to achieve that result will require hugely more input in the form of law changes, resources, policing etc. Sooner or later someone there must start using some common sense, surely???

(I won't hold my breath)

but zxr wont look as good with a plate in the front

and as i have said a million times the deaths are not caused by speeders doing 111kph on a straight motorway, its the guys in the narrow twisty country roads with 100kph limit that make up the majority of the toll. This strict motorway patroling is more for the revenue as far as i can tell, sure its a bigger hazard but nowhere nearly as big as a guy taking a blind corner with 25recomended speed at 80kph, but this kind of stuff is not a concern????!!

**Biff** · 12th May 2005, 11:43

Shit - this has got to take the record as the oldest thread ever to be dragged back to like. Hasn't it?

**Ghost Lemur** · 12th May 2005, 14:55

Originally Posted by Biff

Shit - this has got to take the record as the oldest thread ever to be dragged back to like. Hasn't it?

I'd say it's right up there.

OT - Has anyone else noticed when someone revives an old thread some people feel the need to criticise the face (or at least point out that it's an old thread). Yet if someone posts a new thread on the same topic others point out that such a thread already exists and why aren't they posting in it. Been noticing it a bit and finding it amusing. Looks like a no win situation. Personally I'm all for posting in old threads as it opens up the old replys to members who may have not been round to read them the first time. That in turn saves people having to repeat themselves.

Originally Posted by Dafe

elen Clarke and her Labour Party are behind your Traffic fines and since roadusers are complying and the monetary fines are drying up, the gready B&#$h and her B&#$ettes are now suggesting anything, rediculous or not, to keep the money rolling out of the workers pockets!!!

That funny I remember getting speeding tickets under National too. And if you think that ANY party is going to throw away all that revenue, you're dellusional.

Next you'll be believing that Winston Peters is an honest politian who never plays games during an election year in order to raise his profile and get >10% of the vote as he did the election before (and before that, etc).