Yes
Change to 90km/hr
Change to 100km/hr
No
Weapons of Mass Acceleration
Exactly right, well said.Originally Posted by FROSTY
The point is that Learner bikers are no supposed to be on the open road - they want you to get your skills up enough over the time you are a learner before you graduate to riding in 100km/h zones.
Night rider
I have seen this mentioned on kiwibiker a few times now. Where is written in the rules or in any official policy? And how is anyone living in a rural area supposed to learn?
Time to ride
gee wizzz
I assume that all people on L plates--Ie with learner licences are just that LEARNERS. Thats irrespective of age race sex or creed.
The purpose of a learner licence is to frigging LEARN to ride.
I couldn't agree more that the road you refer to is too dangerous to travel at 70km/h --in that case WTF is he doing riding it on a L plate?
An inexperienced rider on a dangerous bit of road hmm
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gee wizzz
Rural area SHOULD mean more quiet roads available to practice.
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So can I extrapolate from what you're saying is and assume that you stopped learning when you took your L-plate off?
I surely hope that isn't correct...
It doesn't matter whether you've ridden dirtbikes since you were 4 or if you've never touched a motor- and/or bicycle before your 15th birthday - you both still go on the learners period with the same restrictions and duration.
You haven't ever touched a motorcycle and take it up at the tender age of 50 - are you likely to learn as fast as a 15 year old? The answer - generally - is no, but you still get your full faster. Yes, you can hope that you'd be more mature and have some on-road experience to help you, but that is not necessarily the case.
The learners license is too easy to get - fact!
The learners restrictions are in many cases ridiculous - fact!
There is an easy fix, but it's going to make a license much more expensive to obtain and it'll cost a significant amount of money to implement: Proper road user licensing.
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I'm beached as!
I'm 38. I grew up riding farm bikes. I don't pretend that there aren't things I need to learn about riding on the road, which is why I ride as much as work etc permits. But the basics of riding a motorbike (including, OMG, counter-steering) I learned 20 years ago.
I got my license at the start of December - nearly 3 months down, 3 more to go. I've done 3000km since getting my license, the majority of it on the open road. I really don't think there's a hell of a lot more I can learn from pootling around Palmerston North at 50km/h, although I deliberately ride in busy shopping traffic on a Saturday morning for the experience.
Riding at 70km/h on the open road is suicide IMO, so I don't do it. Even in a supposedly provincial area like the Manawatu - we have more traffic than you'd expect.
Not everyone on a Learner is learning to ride.
BTW, I haven't considered going for an exemption or accelerated progression to full because I doubt that I'd qualify. I'm 5'11" - my bike's a bit on the small side, but it's fairly big for a 250, and fits me fairly comforably. I don't need the bike to get to or from work, I have a work vehicle for that, so I can't claim some essential commute that I have to bike.
Night rider
It isn't dangerous if you travel at the same speed as other traffic.
Time to ride
Team Hellfish Racing
Have you heard of a thing called self control? If your a learner and don't feel comfortable at a 100kph then ride a little slower. Fuck, old people do it all the time.
If your under the age of 25 then you have to have your learners for 6 months. Thats a pretty long time to not go out onto the open road. Infact its fucken stupid.
While you sit there liking things just cos' everyone else does, I'll be standing up here keeping it real.
Night rider
Not in Central Otago, and certainly not in the Alexandra - Cromwell - Queenstown area.
Time to ride
Just slightly disturbed.
What he said.
Perhaps the solution is in the exemptions. If a learners licence is "to learn to ride" then maybe the question should be about the licence exemption not the speed. If someone 'needs' to ride on the motorway and can prove it (get to work etc)then they should be able to get an exemption. Like the guys who get one for bike size etc.
But I shudder to think of a 15yr old newbie 2 days after getting their learners barrelling out onto SH1 and being able/allowed and feeling the pressure from the traffic to do 100k. First white line on a corner in the rain you would be picking them and God knows who else off the road.
Yes I know this doesnt apply to us oldies who are finally getting round to getting our licence, but I am under the belief that most new bike licences are going to young men. Young men who at 15/17 think they are bullet proof and invinsible.
Yes I know the mummy in me is rearing its head again.
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Ehh, it's 12 months if you're under 25... 6 if you're above.
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gee wizzz
I couldn't disagree more --what you are saying is your personal OPINION.
You are missing the point totally -and I repeat-a Learner bike licence is a licence to learn the basic riding skills required to ride safely on our roads.
You are not required to demonstrate competence because you in theory have none.
Once you have sat and obtained a RESTRICTED licence you have demonstrated that you have sufficient skills to ride competantly enough to tackle 100km/h roads
In the same way as a Learner car licence is INTENDED as a licence to learn to drive a car.
Muddying the waters by saying --ohh I spose you stop learning etc is just that -throwing mud up
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For people under the age of 25, its 6 months on learners and 12 months on restricted (providing you do a defensive riding course).
While you sit there liking things just cos' everyone else does, I'll be standing up here keeping it real.
Night rider
I know its many years since I got my licence off the back of a weatbix packet, but I do believe that it is now neccessary to pass a basic skills handling test before getting a learners licence.
Time to ride
Team Hellfish Racing
Your learners is to familiarise yourself with riding.
The basic handling course is where you learn theTo get your basic handling you have to demonstrate competence.basic riding skills required to ride safely on our roads.
Once you have sat and obtained a RESTRICTED licence you have demonstrated that you are a little more experienced and are on your way to being able to ride without conditions.
While you sit there liking things just cos' everyone else does, I'll be standing up here keeping it real.
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