HELP, legal advice wanted. HELP!!!

[Grub]

better to sell 10 cars a week at $1000 profit than 1 at $3000.

Agreed, I was thinking more like 1@ $3,000 vs 3@ $1,000 - the boss wins by saving $400 in commissions

[98tls]

Agreed, I was thinking more like 1@ $3,000 vs 3@ $1,000 - the boss wins by saving $400 in commissions

When i was selling them they used to analyze everything,from memory of 1 month it was something like i sold 19 cars at a profit of $1900 per car,that was taking everything into account,even grooming the thing,remembering of course that at least 3/4 of those that i sold had a car traded in on which in turn would be sold they make huge money,in those days anyway if not now its the used car yard and the workshop that keeps em going.There is or used to be 12.5 % profit in a new car,only a mug pays retail so relying on profit from new cars alone will not keep a franchised dealer going.

[Timaa]

hmmm well this seems to have gotten off the comission topic, i really need to kno iff i can shove this in their faces...

[Timaa]

also if i work 52 hours a week they have to pay 52 hours of minimum wage gross if i sell nothing? or only 40? and i am an employee eonly and ive signed a contract.

[Ixion]

Add up your total payments from them, pre tax (everything, all money recieved)

divide by the number of weeks you worked for them

divide by the number of hour you nominally worked each week (usually 40)

If the answer is over 12, forget it

If it's way under 12, you've probably got a case

If it's around 12, you need an expert to do the calculation

[Ragingrob]

From what Ixion's said I think yeah they can't pay you any less than minimum wage overall for the hours you put in. Well that's what I gather anyway!

[Tank]

from 1 April last year the minimum wage for someone your age is $450 for a 40 hour week - unless the have a permit to pay less than minimum wage (like an apprenitce) you have them bang to rights.

Talk to the department of labour asap - good luck

[Timaa]

isnt it calculated on a weekly basis cause its comission? so if its under minimum for that week then they have to top it up by law...????

[Ixion]

No, not necessarily the hours you put in. You might decide to work a lot of extra hours in the hope of getting more commission.

It's based on your contract hours. If the contract is silent , normally 40 (though there are all sorts of special cases, this stuff can get really complicated).

So if you work 52 hours, the minimum wage thing will usually (NB , usually, see above about complicaitons) be based on 40. Unless your contract specifically says you have to work 52. Or, if 52 is the universally accepted hours in the industry.

But you cna't work extra hours above and beyoind your contrcat and load them into minimum wage calculation. Usually. It can get complicated.

[Timaa]

nah contract says 52 hours is the norm.

[HenryDorsetCase]

No, not necessarily the hours you put in. You might decide to work a lot of extra hours in the hope of getting more commission.

It's based on your contract hours. If the contract is silent , normally 40 (though there are all sorts of special cases, this stuff can get really complicated).

So if you work 52 hours, the minimum wage thing will usually (NB , usually, see above about complicaitons) be based on 40. Unless your contract specifically says you have to work 52. Or, if 52 is the universally accepted hours in the industry.

But you cna't work extra hours above and beyoind your contrcat and load them into minimum wage calculation. Usually. It can get complicated.

so, I take it from what you're saying that it can get quite complicated?

would that be a fair summary?

[98tls]

also if i work 52 hours a week they have to pay 52 hours of minimum wage gross if i sell nothing? or only 40? and i am an employee eonly and ive signed a contract.

Red rep away but know this,if your selling cars and you are earning so little that you have to be bothered about the min wage then you are seriously in the wrong game,that or your working for the wrong guy,hook up with a franchised dealer and your away,to look at selling cars through an hourly rate viewpoint is silly,hours on the yard = talking with prospective car buyers = they go away do there thing and if serious come back.Not being negative at all but a car salesman worrying about the min wage is like a farmer worrying about the min wage.

[Ragingrob]

so, I take it from what you're saying that it can get quite complicated?

would that be a fair summary?

You just hit the nail on the head!

[Grub]

hmmm well this seems to have gotten off the comission topic, i really need to kno iff i can shove this in their faces...

I did your research for you and gave you the answer in Message #6

[Ixion]

Actually, your best bet is to PM Mr Frosty or Mr OnearmedBandit

Thye've both managed/owned car yards, and will know all about how it works

This stuff can get complicated when commission payments are involved and industry practice comes into it.