Excluding based on sex...

[Ocean1]

Women got the legislation they asked for, it's not at all unreasonable to expect them to abide by it. And don't get me started on th "Configure Gym for Women"!

And bleating about it is every bit as pointless as the outraged angst that produced the legislation in the first place.

We're different. We like to do things differently. Sometimes to the exclusion of the other sex. Get used to it, it's what we are, it's not going to change.

If you want to make a stand then start a male-only "gentlemens club" similar to those that existed just a couple of decades ago. It'd be fun. I'll help.

[MadDuck]

Why do women think of men as such a threat they have to exclude them?

Its not about excluding men. Its about beimg around other bikers that are in the same space as us......you have so missed my point

[Grub]

If you want to make a stand then start a male-only "gentlemens club" similar to those that existed just a couple of decades ago. It'd be fun. I'll help.

It wouldn't last a week ... the feminazis would have your knackers so you would have to make it a genderless club

[Grub]

Its not about excluding men. Its about beimg around other bikers that are in the same space as us......you have so missed my point

FFS ... that's what men were saying when all of the men-only institutions were being taken to Court. They all lost their cases too by the way. You have so missed the point!

[MadDuck]

Hey I dont know whats going on in your life ...just like you have taken no time in your life to get to know me.

I dont deserve your damnation ...or your cursing

[Bullitt]

The golf thing is different, I don't think it's fair that women get special treatment but the same goes for Maoris, homosexuals, the elderly, beneficiaries and pretty much every group in society.

Except Im a white mid 20s straight NZ European whose ancestors have been here for generations. Theres no group that panders to me

A good example is yesterdays TCWNR. There was a heap of different abilities there from people on L plates to litre sports bikes. Obviously people were riding at different speeds but we made sure someone was an organised tail end charlie (thanks Grub). There were still people for the newbies to follow and when we got to the tin hut everyone could talk about anything irrespective of how quickly they got there.

[Ocean1]

It wouldn't last a week ... the feminazis would have your knackers so you would have to make it a genderless club

Like I said, fun. If you feel that strongly about it why would you not stand up for your rights?

As for girls-only rides? Good on 'em, no different than any other type of girls day out.

[Grub]

Like I said, fun.

No knackers = genderless ... was supposed to be funny - oh well

[Deano]

I think it is unfair and stupid to exclude one or the other on the excuse that woman would feel more comfortable without men around.

A bit like the Gixxer only track days, cause of course *they* feel more comfortable without any CBR's around !!

Especially from 2008 on.....

[Disco Dan]

Women will always want to have an outlet that is 'female only' to exclude men... makes em feel "speshel" ...men will continue to feel threatened by this, some making their own "speshel" 'men only' outlet in order to piss women off, others will bleat on about 'equality'.

Either way... there are women that feel they are somehow 'better' than men and feel the need for their own 'groups'. There are women that feel threatened by male 'dominant egos' - read "natural genetic disagreement towards males due to social stimuli".

Girls... go make your own group!!! go on!!! ...then I can show up and be the only guy... :devil:

Guys... sounds like the modern white/black scenario here. Lets just gas all the woman in large concrete rooms made to look like showers and get it over with... thinking about the consequences later...




.....jeeeeeesh !

[Ocean1]

Except Im a white mid 20s straight NZ European whose ancestors have been here for generations.

So, not middle aged then?

[quallman1234]

Except Im a white mid 20s straight NZ European whose ancestors have been here for generations. Theres no group that panders to me

A good example is yesterdays TCWNR. There was a heap of different abilities there from people on L plates to litre sports bikes. Obviously people were riding at different speeds but we made sure someone was an organised tail end charlie (thanks Grub). There were still people for the newbies to follow and when we got to the tin hut everyone could talk about anything irrespective of how quickly they got there.

Excatly my point as long as the newbies are well catered for at the back (heck im happy to help out and have done before and im sure 90% of the people are happy to help out) then i don't see whats wrong if the slightly faster guys/girls criuse a bit faster. If everyone takes off and leaves newbies with one or two people for like 5 newbies then this is a different case all together!

P.s this is becoming a very wellington based thread .

[Bullitt]

So, not middle aged then?

I suspect theres some people here who wouldnt agree with calling myself middle aged at 24 Neither gives you any ability to be anti-discriminated against though.

hmm Im sure theres a better word than anti-discriminated

[MadDuck]

Women will always want to have an outlet that is 'female only' to exclude men... makes em feel "speshel" ...men will continue to feel threatened by this, some making their own "speshel" 'men only' outlet in order to piss women off, others will bleat on about 'equality'.

Either way... there are women that feel they are somehow 'better' than men and feel the need for their own 'groups'. There are women that feel threatened by male 'dominant egos' - read "natural genetic disagreement towards males due to social stimuli".

Girls... go make your own group!!! go on!!! ...then I can show up and be the only guy... :devil:

Guys... sounds like the modern white/black scenario here. Lets just gas all the woman in large concrete rooms made to look like showers and get it over with... thinking about the consequences later...




.....jeeeeeesh !

oh yes you are some 20 summit needs to to get a life .....thanks for the advise

[Jiminy]

Not sure why this is such a big deal. Every minority wants a bit of time together every now and then. And women riders sure are a minority amongst bikers.

If 90% of bikers were women, then we would be organising men-only rides every now and then, just the same (and ladies would be moaning about it, just the same). Women-only rides barely have any impact on blokes chances of group riding, but if MOST of the rides involving guys were men-only, there wouldn't be many women riding anymore.

I don't see it as a women against men thing, even less a PC thing. After all, aren't there hogs-only rides? Or sport bikes only track days?

Let the ladies ride on their own from time to time. That might encourage more ladies to ride and later join our rides. Myself, I'd love to see a more balanced population amongst bikers.