Ban all bikes or just those over 600cc

[vifferman]

I finally read the article linked to.
"Vision Zero"? LOL.
Apt name for people with zero vision.

[Finn]

I finally read the article linked to.
"Vision Zero"? LOL.
Apt name for people with zero vision.

Just a bunch of fucken socialists.

[skidMark]

I foresee a lot of runners if they passed such legislation...

You havnt been to auckland...have you.

[YellowDog]

Unbelfuckinglivable - At least we will now have somewhere to send the idiot bikermurdering car drivers.

"I sentece you yo 10 years in Norway"

"And yes it will be bloody cold"

[deanohit]

On the other hand, large SUV vehicles and caravans have a nasty habbit of ploughing into other vehicles and causing the death of innocent third parties. Not cool.

Gotta disagree with you there man, no way am I going back to driving a car!
And neither of my trucks had the nasty habit of ploughing into other vehicles.

No matter what your driving, it all comes down to the driver/rider.
Be far more productive to have mandatory driver/rider training than just ban a certain type of vehicle.

[Soul.Trader]

Gotta disagree with you there man, no way am I going back to driving a car!
And neither of my trucks had the nasty habit of ploughing into other vehicles.

No matter what your driving, it all comes down to the driver/rider.
Be far more productive to have mandatory driver/rider training than just ban a certain type of vehicle.

Dont get me wrong - I'm against banning ANY vehicles. I was just saying, they're a bigger road danger than motorcycles, with which you must agree. However, I am a staunch advocate for special license endorsements for SUV/utlity vehicles.

The reason for this is that modern 4WD/SUV vehicles look and feel much like a car from the drivers seat. But they're not - they are bigger and more top heavy, and DO NOT handle like a car. But you get any old mum/lawyer/whatever stereotype you like, driving these vehicles like they would drive a car, and causing accidents from tipping, to crossing lanes.

Enforcing a new license endorsement for these vehicles means that people would have to really think about owning one of these vehicles, and hopefully learning to drive them, before going out and buying one.

[nodrog:Me]

..... However, I am a staunch advocate for special license endorsements for SUV/utlity vehicles.

.....Enforcing a new license endorsement for these vehicles means that people would have to really think about owning one of these vehicles, and hopefully learning to drive them, before going out and buying one.

what a crock of shit, as if there isnt enough bullshit endorsements one has to get these days!

any of these modern SUV vehicles is going to handle 200% better than the Austin Maxi i used to own!

Maybe we need an endorsement for "piece of shit" vehicles as well?

or an endorsement for owning an XR8 or V8 Holden? afterall they are racecars, its true, i've seen them on telly!

[avgas]

Doesn't matter - we'll be out of petrol soon anyway

I foresee a lot of runners if they passed such legislation...

Done it before - will do it again if circumstances are met

[Soul.Trader]

nodrog - my concern isn't with 95% or drivers. It's with that 5% who cause too many road deaths, out of driving vehicles for which they are ill trained. Large vehicles with comparatively low visibility, a high centre of gravity and unfamiliar handling characteristics.

[ManDownUnder]

LMAO.... ok... getting back to basics...

1) Vision Zero sets the goal of eliminating road deaths altogether.

mm hmmm - all good so far - I don't want deaths on the roads either

2) None of its backers can explain how its goal can be achieved while motorcycling is permitted.

FARK! How can it be achieved while any transport is permitted??? (or are train deaths somehow better than road ones?).

The crusade wagon has run amok!

[nodrog:Me]

nodrog - my concern isn't with 95% or drivers. It's with that 5% who cause too many road deaths, out of driving vehicles for which they are ill trained. Large vehicles with comparatively low visibility, a high centre of gravity and unfamiliar handling characteristics.

you can have all the endorsements in the world, its still not going to cure the 5% of idiots out there is it?

where does it end? should we all have to take a driving lesson, then get allocated a certain type of motor vehicle relevant to the skills we have demonstrated?

you can have all the pieces of paper in the world endorsing your marvelous driving skill, its not going to help when you fall asleep at the wheel driving home from a week long "P" binge is it?

pieces of paper dont save lives

[deanohit]

Large vehicles with comparatively low visibility, a high centre of gravity and unfamiliar handling characteristics.

Ok, Ford, Holden, BMW, Honda, etc all make large cars with large blindspots, lots of power and unfamiliar handling. just at a lower centre of gravity.
Top Gear did an interesting test where they looked at how far an out of control vehicle travels at 50mph before it stops. The 4x4 turned, rolled twice and stopped, the car spun...............and spun...................and spun for a hell of long way.
So the truck may be harsher on the passengers, but if it hits another vehicle, the impact won't be as severe on the other vehicle as if it was slammed by a still fast moving vehicle.

[deanohit]

you can have all the pieces of paper in the world endorsing your marvelous driving skill, its not going to help when you fall asleep at the wheel driving home from a week long "P" binge is it?

Or from the unlicenced drunken idiot in a stolen car either.

[Soul.Trader]

Ok, Ford, Holden, BMW, Honda, etc all make large cars with large blindspots, lots of power and unfamiliar handling. just at a lower centre of gravity.
Top Gear did an interesting test where they looked at how far an out of control vehicle travels at 50mph before it stops. The 4x4 turned, rolled twice and stopped, the car spun...............and spun...................and spun for a hell of long way.
So the truck may be harsher on the passengers, but if it hits another vehicle, the impact won't be as severe on the other vehicle as if it was slammed by a still fast moving vehicle.

SUV vehicles are substantially heavier, so when they do collide with other vehicles, they do so with significantly more energy.

[Ewan Oozarmy]

Guys, that article is from MCN. MCN is the biggest pile of shit motorcycle publication to come out of the UK. It comes out with scare mongering articles like this on a weekly basis. I've lost count of how many times MCNs retarded journos have told us that something or other is to be banned imminently.

I (and most bikers I know over there) stopped buying it years ago.