Cheesecutters, that bad?

[Katman]

But I did mean the one I gave you...

I'd expect nothing less.

[enigma51]

I'd expect nothing less.

Fucking hell you too want a private room or something.

You two boyfriends or something?

[Murray]

Fucking hell you too want a private room or something.

You two boyfriends or something?

You know mentors like to stick together!!! yuck, the thought of it, how demented

[enigma51]

You know mentors like to stick together!!! yuck, the thought of it, how demented

does seem that way

[Big Zappa]

was the alternative?

at least stick the plastic guards around the bare wire like they have in France/Belgium.

I was discussing the other day going down there with buckets of red paint and broken down mannequin parts, and arranging them creatively around the WRB before a big long weekend, so that cagers get the point!

[PrincessBandit]

I was discussing the other day going down there with buckets of red paint and broken down mannequin parts, and arranging them creatively around the WRB before a big long weekend, so that cagers get the point!

You'd have to include some bike parts otherwise most of them wouldn't have a clue what you meant. If I wasn't a rider and saw a display like that I'd be going Yes, call me a thicko if you want but it would have gone above my head (as i said if I only drove cars and wasn't a rider).

[saxet]

About 30 years ago my parents dragged me along to the Defensive Driving course they were attendin-no baby sitter,I was about 10, as a kid who was already into mcycles and was interested to here even then that cheesecuuter barriers were considered dangerous to mcycles. Anyone who says they're not has'nt researched it e.g.Transit (or thet're just lyin.)
Hey Katman do even you ride exactly to the road code.Thats the only way'in theory to avoid an accident and even the people who wrote and enforce it don't follow it. Accidents arent always our own fault.
Back to barriers, they were designed to reduce the cosequences of an accident. I would call shreedin the vehical and operater an escalation of the accident.

[jafar]

You know mentors like to stick together!!! yuck, the thought of it, how demented

DMNTD

[carver]

last night when doing 2 up stand ups, with a pillion sitting on the race cowl, both a bit drunk, doing 170kph, the cheesecutters were good, the reflectors ment i could see where they were, (waikato expressway)

thanks cheesecutters

[madmartin]

yeah, they've just put them all up the top of the wangamoas in nelson, think i would've rather gone off into the trees, even armco looks more inviting

[Katman]

yeah, they've just put them all up the top of the wangamoas in nelson, think i would've rather gone off into the trees, even armco looks more inviting

Even gravel (or trees) on the side of the road isn't "inviting".

The idea is to avoid close encounters with all those extraneous obstacles.

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

yeah, they've just put them all up the top of the wangamoas in nelson, think i would've rather gone off into the trees, even armco looks more inviting

Holy shit - that's scary - you would have a better chance at living if you went thru the trees - and in winter it has lots of black ice - lots of pea gravel - to a newbie at the time in the mid of winter (doh) it was an interesting ride - ignorance was bliss.

[Katman]

Maybe their intention is to eventually line all of New Zealands roads with them in an effort to discourage motorcyclists from using the road as their own private racetrack.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...70&postcount=1

[DougieNZ]

This is a pretty difficult topic for me.

I would like to use the centennial highway north of Wellington as an example. There were quite a few fatalities on this road before the WRB was installed.

Media reports recently suggest that these barriers are saving lives.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4743382a6479.html

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4604082a6000.html

Obviously Transit are putting them in becuase they are cheaper to install than the other type (forgetting about overall costs etc etc). otherwise why would we bother. There is plenty of proof that these barriers are saving lives. If your family members' life was saved by a WRB, would you still feel the same?

Maybe a campaign to have them retro fitted to make them more biker firendly would have more effect?

Also, like "charity" calls I would say that if a particular incident is being used to strenghten calls for a partaclar issue, that the full facts of this incident(s) should be disclosed (including speed, reasons for mechanical/bike failure etc etc). Then (like the charity) you could make your mind up on wheter to support the cause or not.

[swbarnett]

This is a pretty difficult topic for me.

I would like to use the centennial highway north of Wellington as an example. There were quite a few fatalities on this road before the WRB was installed.

Media reports recently suggest that these barriers are saving lives.

I have no doubt that they are. The problem is that there are other solution that will save more lives. Including motorcycles.

Does anyone know if the problem is loss of control or dick-head overtaking on this stretch of road (to stick with this example)? If the problem is overtaking then non-lethal centre marker posts (the kind that just bends when you drive over them) would probably have a psychological affect on driver behaviour and stop most of the inappropriate overtaking. There's no need for a solid barrier at all.


To put this issue into perspective - let's suppose that a barrier was installed that saved the lives of all but Maori people. How long do you think that would last?