Cheesecutters, that bad?

**Mom** · 27th October 2008, 19:46

Originally Posted by MSTRS

And when they are installed on the road edge AND down the middle...

*shudders*

Scarey thought. One worry of mine is that these WRB's are appearing in the oddest places. Along a bit of pristine coastal highway on the East Cape, a 50m (approx.) length of WRB preventing a fall of a metre or so to the beach, though it may be to prevent whales from stranding there for all I know.

Ok, perhaps cars/bikes have gone off that edge and onto the beach, perhaps people have been injured in the process, hence the WRB. Now a car will be slowed, and perhaps stopped from flying onto the beach (hope the edge of the road is wide enough to stop a car from falling under the WRB when the posts have gone (unlikely as there appeared to be almost no "shoulder" beyond the posts). The poor hapless biker that gets a sudden downdraft of wind off the cliffs above and is blowen against the wire will be dead, or at best maimed for life.

Much better option, NOT!

**reofix** · 27th October 2008, 20:01

lets face it ... the most dangerous thing to run into on our roads are the 1500kg hunks of steel coming head on at us at 100 k just a few feet away acroos the white line

**MSTRS:Me** · 28th October 2008, 08:41

Reality check? *Someone* needs one, alright.
People are the problem, on most roads. People. Some of whom drive/ride and cause problems for themselves or others. And some of whom think that steel posts and braided wire fences are a safety initiative. And despite all the data from all over the world, continue to install as an appropriate form of protection.

**Vagabond** · 28th October 2008, 16:42

Was just on a South African site looking up some old school mates and came across a section dedicated to "Bike Safe" and they had these photo's which I promptly stole. I know I read somwhere that all info and or pictures will help so they're yours to do what you want to with them.

**Katman** · 29th October 2008, 18:10

Originally Posted by Vagabond

Was just on a South African site looking up some old school mates and came across a section dedicated to "Bike Safe" and they had these photo's which I promptly stole. I know I read somwhere that all info and or pictures will help so they're yours to do what you want to with them.

Let me guess - a motorcyclist pulling wheelstands on a GSXR1000 (with a weakened steering head from landing too many wheelstands) right alongside a wire rope barrier?

**Vagabond** · 29th October 2008, 19:31

Originally Posted by Katman

Let me guess - a motorcyclist pulling wheelstands on a GSXR1000 (with a weakened steering head from landing too many wheelstands) right alongside a wire rope barrier?

Now ain't that jumping to conclusions!
Quote from below pic: What we DONT like to see...

This was the aftermath of a fall during a morning bike run with a bunch of mates. The rider broke his arse but was otherwise unhurt (save the obvious scrapes and bruises)Added October 15

Maybe he lost it braking for a cager? who knows cause I don't

**Katman** · 29th October 2008, 20:13

Originally Posted by Vagabond

Now ain't that jumping to conclusions!

That's why I called it a guess.

(But I'm usually pretty good at guessing games).

**Katman** · 30th October 2008, 09:30

It appears that I've upset the Hawkes Bay branch of the Katman Fan Club again.

MSTRS & yungatart, are you suggesting that it's better to bury our heads in the sand and ignore the fact that the only death caused by WRBs in New Zealand can be directly attributed to irresponsible behaviour?

**MSTRS:Me** · 30th October 2008, 09:46

Originally Posted by Katman

It appears that I've upset the Hawkes Bay branch of the Katman Fan Club again.

MSTRS & yungatart, are you suggesting that it's better to bury our heads in the sand and ignore the fact that the only death caused by WRBs in New Zealand can be directly attributed to irresponsible behaviour?

You were there? You've seen all the crash reports? We know the bike is in 2 pieces - how it got there is speculation. And it is highly insensitive of you (or anyone) to make that type of assertion when the dead rider's father and friends are on here reading it. Pull your head in, and put yourself in others' shoes for a change.
Besides, why red me when you agreed with a post of mine in another thread?

**Katman** · 30th October 2008, 09:53

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Besides, why red me when you agreed with a post of mine in another thread?

What red?

The only one I'm aware of is the one you sent me.

**Katman** · 30th October 2008, 09:57

And I'm sick of the standard 'veil of secrecy' that gets thrown over accidents like this one (and the one that killed Bruce and Darryl).

The only good that can come out of incidents like this is that people learn from them. In order to do that they need to be discussed honestly.

**MSTRS:Me** · 30th October 2008, 10:51

Originally Posted by Katman

What red?

The only one I'm aware of is the one you sent me.

This one...
Your memory must be going.

**MSTRS:Me** · 30th October 2008, 10:57

Originally Posted by Katman

And I'm sick of the standard 'veil of secrecy' that gets thrown over accidents like this one (and the one that killed Bruce and Darryl).

The only good that can come out of incidents like this is that people learn from them. In order to do that they need to be discussed honestly.

I agree. But only when the facts are released, and then with sensitivity for those that were close to the dead. It is possible to have a frank exchange without upsetting people.