Cheesecutters, that bad?

**SARGE** · 17th November 2008, 16:35

Originally Posted by Katman

are you suggesting that it's better to bury our heads in the sand and ignore the fact that the only death caused by WRBs in New Zealand can be directly attributed to irresponsible behaviour?

first off Katman.. you were not there.

second..can i assume that in all your time riding, you have never engaged in so-called "irresponsible behaviour"..how would your partner/ parents react if you were chopped in to mince by these things?.. then had someone on a public forum call you a douchbag because of it?

third..Dans parents are good friends of mine and i respect them greatly. Dans mother is taking this very hard (as would any mother)..

i was honored to be able to participate in the ride and to carry the coffin..

i sold Dan the bike and it hit me very hard..i was expecting to be partly blamed for the accident, but Kat wrapped her arms around me at the funeral and cried in to my coat..

Dan was a good kid..sure ..a bit of a squid sometimes, but show me anyone who hasnt been at one time of another, .. i know i certainly have been in the past.. have you? .. hell man.. i've done shit that should have killed me 100 times over , but im either the luckiest motherfucker on the planet, or Satan hasnt got my room ready yet

Dan was taken too young by the Gubbmints greed and irresponsibility..as well as his own "youthful exuberance"

a little respect for our fallen please

no red rep from me bro.. thats not how i roll

as far as Carver and the Moron Few

i wont be coming to your funerals bro..Carver...youre an arrogant loudmouth who's not as good as he thinks.. it WILL catch up with you dude..

the Grim Reaper is a member of KB and he's takin notes..

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 17th November 2008, 17:14

Originally Posted by carver

tell the world buddy

not many bumps on the motorway, and just as a fact, i have NEVER lost a wheelie, done em 2 up, stand ups, up to 130 kph, through the gearbox....

so cry me a river..carver did a wheelie..wahhhhh

and you want to be a mentor... ???

**Mom** · 17th November 2008, 17:24

Originally Posted by swbarnett

Does anyone know if the problem is loss of control or dick-head overtaking on this stretch of road (to stick with this example)

Head on collisions for whatever reason on any road kill people. Sometimes median barriers are required to be installed to save us from ourselves.

These barriers have demonstratively saved lives since they were installed. No arguments there. No bikers have been killed hitting them there either.

The issue that disturbs me is the fact that the cheapest upfront option seems to be the ONLY one regardless of the safety of ALL road users.

Bikers are vulnerable, WRB's increase our risk in a way we can not manage ourselves. They are dangerous, they kill and main bikers and they dont stop heavy vehicles from crossing them.

In the cited example they have saved lives...ergo they are fine. I have argued that one with a few people in the know. They could of course cover the posts so bikers are less likely to be chopped limb from limb on contact, but there is the rub, why should they?

**SARGE** · 17th November 2008, 17:30

Originally Posted by nighthawknz

and you want to be a mentor... ???

mentor??????????

**Grahameeboy** · 17th November 2008, 17:37

Originally Posted by SARGE

Dan was a good kid..sure ..a bit of a squid sometimes, but show me anyone who hasnt been at one time of another, .. i know i certainly have been in the past.. have you? .. hell man.. i've done shit that should have killed me 100 times over , but im either the luckiest motherfucker on the planet, or Satan hasnt got my room ready yet

Dan was taken too young by the Gubbmints greed and irresponsibility..as well as his own "youthful exuberance"

I rode with Dan a few times and he was not stupid...he was not a loudmouth and was an all round nice guy.

Not sure I agree that he was taken by the Govt's greed. A bit harsh I think and to be honest we can only speculate the outcome had there been no cheesecutters...it was a straight piece of road after all.

I mean do we blame farmers for leaving crap on a countrylane..no cause as bikers we should be aware of these hazards...not sure where I was going on that one...ah yes, we have to take responsibility for our exuberance...it what being young is all about...I fell down a mountain when 18 and was lucky....the weatherman said it would not snow...we got caught in a whiteout...cannot blame the weatherman.

We ride bikes, we accept a risk...

To be honest since Dan's accident I have not heard of any other incidents so I am not sure what the safety issue is..sorry Mom..I expect a armour glove in the bollocks for saying that but lets not let what happen to Dan create a storm in a tea cup...

**SARGE** · 17th November 2008, 17:44

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

I rode with Dan a few times and he was not stupid...he was not a loudmouth and was an all round nice guy.

Not sure I agree that he was taken by the Govt's greed. A bit harsh I think and to be honest we can only speculate the outcome had there been no cheesecutters...it was a straight piece of road after all.
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nah GB.. never said Dan was a loudmouth.. please re-read my post

and what would YOU call it??.. they put these things in because of the cost.... i'll happily give up the dole- bloggers payments to fix this shit,,, hey ..theres an idea.. cheap labor.. get prisoners and dole bloggers to pour the cement barriers..nothing on TV in the afternoon anyway

**Grahameeboy** · 17th November 2008, 17:50

Originally Posted by SARGE

nah GB.. never said Dan was a loudmouth.. please re-read my post

and what would YOU call it??.. they put these things in because of the cost.... i'll happily give up the dole- bloggers payments to fix this shit,,, hey ..theres an idea.. cheap labor.. get prisoners and dole bloggers to pour the cement barriers..nothing on TV in the afternoon anyway

Never said you did was just saying how I saw him....say compared to Craver.

I dunno what I would call it...mmm...not the best idea....

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 17th November 2008, 17:59

Originally Posted by SARGE

mentor??????????

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=85867

**Katman** · 17th November 2008, 18:08

Originally Posted by SARGE

first off Katman.. you were not there.

Like I've said before - it doesn't take a rocket scientist.

At the time of the accident it was widely reported to the public that excessive speed was a governing factor. We, on here, were well aware of Dan's penchant for performing high speed wheel stands. The effort to make Dan the poster child for the anti WRB campaign is where any hope of widespread public support was lost. The general public already view us as a bunch of dickheads who deserve everything we get.

It is most definitely not my intention to cause anyone further needless anguish but the lessons that we all need to learn from this are of such a magnitude that it would be remiss of us not to discuss it openly and honestly.

**road king** · 17th November 2008, 18:53

Originally Posted by swbarnett

To put this issue into perspective - let's suppose that a barrier was installed that saved the lives of all but Maori people. How long do you think that would last?

bloody good point

**carver** · 17th November 2008, 19:58

Originally Posted by SARGE

as far as Carver and the Moron Few

i wont be coming to your funerals bro..Carver...youre an arrogant loudmouth who's not as good as he thinks.. it WILL catch up with you dude..

the Grim Reaper is a member of KB and he's takin notes..

i love this, you know for sure that im not that good!
and you can predict the future, so, tell me...

where was i at 7pm today?

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

and you want to be a mentor... ???

yeah, why not eh, im honest, the best type!

Originally Posted by Katman

Like I've said before - it doesn't take a rocket scientist.

At the time of the accident it was widely reported to the public that excessive speed was a governing factor. We, on here, were well aware of Dan's penchant for performing high speed wheel stands. The effort to make Dan the poster child for the anti WRB campaign is where any hope of widespread public support was lost. The general public already view us as a bunch of dickheads who deserve everything we get.

It is most definitely not my intention to cause anyone further needless anguish but the lessons that we all need to learn from this are of such a magnitude that it would be remiss of us not to discuss it openly and honestly.

i agree with what you have said here, and i always felt that it was the case.

alot of people have put forward he was not doing wheelstands, but from what i saw, and i do alot of high speed wheelstands myself, i agree with katnanna

**SARGE** · 17th November 2008, 20:17

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=85867

holy shit.. youre 'aving a larf aye?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

**SARGE** · 17th November 2008, 20:21

Originally Posted by carver

i love this, you know for sure that im not that good!
and you can predict the future, so, tell me...

where was i at 7pm today?

ive seen your vids squid-boy..

and yes.. in your case i CAN see the future..

head on into a car while passing on a blind corner

then some media cunt is gonna call you a " Biker" and tar us all with the same brush

douchbag

**carver** · 17th November 2008, 20:25

Originally Posted by SARGE

ive seen your vids squid-boy..

and yes.. in your case i CAN see the future..

head on into a car while passing on a blind corner

then some media cunt is gonna call you a " Biker" and tar us all with the same brush

douchbag

didnt you leave this site?
what you think of the vids?

i have never passed a car in a blind corner on video (from memory)

show it to me.

oh waaaaaahhhh, a biker dies, and we all get bagged.

though a guy like you could take it.

i take it all the time.

i think you have me confused for skidmark!

what should i place a bet on next mr soothsayer!

i want to make some easy coin!