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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedie View Post
    I asked one of flatties (pleeceman) about this and he said it is common for them to give an instant fine for failing to indicate or unsafe lane change rather than a traffic offence notice (court time) for careless driving. It is much easier, the defendant always pays cos they know they had a close shave and police man goes home early.
    Yeah and to be honest I don't mind that approach in my case as the guy had learnt his lesson, had insurance and stopped at the scene to make sure I was ok and give his details.

    I wasn't badly injured so given his insurance paid out ok there was little harm done really.

    What I mind is the lack of balance shown in other areas. Would be interested to see the stats of drink driver impounding vs "boyracer act" impounding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Stroll on the KB lawyers......
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    Quote Originally Posted by bert_is_evil View Post
    wtf? I thought they could only send you a letter saying naughty naughty!
    I agree. The other day I reported a dickhead who tried to kill me by using the online reporting thingy. (Well, he was using I car, of course, I was using the online reporting thingy). In my report I indicated my willingness to testify against said dickhead in the event that a case was to be brought against said dickhead, owing to my viewing people who try on vehicular manslaughter as part of their morning jollies in a very dim light indeed. A very friendly person then phoned me to say a) thanks for my report, and b) did I understand that it was not possible to prosecute in cases like this, and they'd just be sending the naughty naughty note...

    Seems to argue against the dedicated member of the public theory.

    But YMMV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    I agree. The other day I reported a dickhead who tried to kill me by using the online reporting thingy. (Well, he was using I car, of course, I was using the online reporting thingy). In my report I indicated my willingness to testify against said dickhead in the event that a case was to be brought against said dickhead, owing to my viewing people who try on vehicular manslaughter as part of their morning jollies in a very dim light indeed. A very friendly person then phoned me to say a) thanks for my report, and b) did I understand that it was not possible to prosecute in cases like this, and they'd just be sending the naughty naughty note...

    Seems to argue against the dedicated member of the public theory.

    But YMMV.
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    Well, it would have been life threatening if I hadn't seen the f*cker coming out of the corner of my eye and got the hell out of the way, doubleplus quick. We were both doing 80-100, in flowing traffic, would have been particularly nasty to have an off at that point. I almost immediately pulled off onto my exit and he carried on straight, so wouldn't have been much point getting a patrol car out. Woulda taken an hour in Auckland traffic, anyway!
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    I dont see how it means shit
    if your not speeding and causing no problem
    whos saying you cant accelerate at a piticular rate of knots
    fuck id pull away from stoped at full gas till i hit 50 55 km what the fucks the cop going to do
    Hed have a fuck of an argument if i got stoped for doing that
    no law i know of that says you can get up to speed in a hurry

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    Quote Originally Posted by discotex View Post
    Anything like that will work against you. If you were only accelerating faster than a car would you should be able to get off both charges as the law doesn't define how much acceleration is excessive.
    Just plead the "SkidMark law" of percentages of performance.
    Much like the famous "skill percentage" rule for riding, a bike, under accelleration, is using only a percentage of it's potential so thereby accellerating faster than a cage but NOT accellerating anywhere near the bike's full potential.

    Any judge should be easily impressed confused with this evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlygirl View Post
    The bike has been impounded for 28 days, however I pick it up next Friday.
    Court date is set for 5 weeks from now.

    Thanks heaps for the links and info.

    I can only really expand and say that I didn't make the best judgement call and my display was in front of an undercover car with two Officers riding in it.


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    If you are a member of the AA you can get free legal advice up to a point. Some lawyers also give you an hour free to discuss the case before taking it on. That may a good place to start.

    Your problem is that you have 2 witnesses against you and they are cops and will be believed. The only dangerous/no speed case anything like this I know of is when a Skyline turned left past our local school and floored it up to about 40km/h narrowly missing 2 kids crossing the road. This happened in front of a cop at the school for a talk and he nailed the offender and his car full of yoofs.

    I have mentioned this guy in other posts but this was after his first ban. Naturaly this being 'Southside' he never showed up at court and carried on driving like nothing had happened. They banned him and threw in more charges for the court thing.

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    Ok, forget about police radar etc - they don't need it and the charge of driving at a dangerous speed has been around for decades.

    All that is required is for an experienced police officer to give evidence that he observed the defendant proceeding on X road in such and such conditions and was accelerating hard or progressing at Y speed which in the officers experienced opinion was dangerous in all of the circumstances.

    So - 50kph outside a school at 8:45am might very well fall into such a charge - especially if it was midwinter (dull light) and raining.

    Excessive acceleration is a bit more difficult and usually requires some smoke or wheelspin or loud noise or clearly shooting away from other vehicles on the same road.

    The point is, the District Court is a busy place. If an experienced officer convinces a judge that the officer knows his onions - you are gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston001 View Post
    or clearly shooting away from other vehicles on the same road.
    Sounds like me on the GN at almost every set of lights.

    Who among us thinks a GN is known for it's acceleration?
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    Quote Originally Posted by terbang View Post
    Oooh Gina, who's been a naughty girl then and having waay too much fun...? Hope it doesn't cost ya too much, learn from yer little slip and avoid being caught next time...
    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlygirl View Post
    The bike has been impounded for 28 days, however I pick it up next Friday.
    Court date is set for 5 weeks from now.

    Thanks heaps for the links and info.

    I can only really expand and say that I didn't make the best judgement call and my display was in front of an undercover car with two Officers riding in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by homer View Post
    no law i know of that says you can get up to speed in a hurry
    Actually, there is. It's called "Unnecessary display of acceleration" or similar. There was a multi-page thread on it just a little while back.

    Think twice before you launch from the next intersection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breakaway View Post
    Actually, there is. It's called "Unnecessary display of acceleration" or similar. There was a multi-page thread on it just a little while back.

    Think twice before you launch from the next intersection.
    Thanks will most certainly do this in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breakaway View Post
    Actually, there is. It's called "Unnecessary display of acceleration" or similar. There was a multi-page thread on it just a little while back.

    Think twice before you launch from the next intersection.
    Yes in fact I posted a link to the exact law earlier in this very thread.

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