Busted? Help!

[scumdog]

They can at a booze bus if they blow 800 or more.

Uh, things have changed - over 650 now!! - booze-bus, station. wherever.

OR if they blow over that and go for blood,

Or if they refuse blood (if they refused breath or it was not available),

OR if they go straight for blood and it comes back over 130.

IIRC.

[scumdog]

Something I've always wondered.

Will a booze bus give you a test if you rock up on foot and ask?

It'd be quite handy for when it was parked downtown near a pub. Nip out, check how pissed you are, nip back in, etc.

They're not keen:
"Oh, I blew under, sweet, I'll have one more and I should be right!" - then they get pinged "But, but, they said I was under??" - unhappy camper.

Or the breath/blood level could still be climbing - same scenario as above


No test as it saves a bunfight in Court.

[Swoop]

And no earthly court can reverse the clock of time to give you those 28 days back.

Getting a "credit" against your next visit, sounds fun!

Oh right, yeah, they're only calibrated for white Japanese cars with four-doors>>

But, but... hanging a CD from your rear view mirror will deflect the rays...

It'd be quite handy for when it was parked downtown near a pub. Nip out, check how pissed you are, nip back in, etc.

Back to the bartender... "gimme another 75 micrograms please!"

[wildcat_lgf]

we have decided it is worth fighting this. there is the matter of weather his radar is correct ? has been calibrated correctly and in the specified timeframe ?
if his car has / had a current warrant / rego ?
I have learnt that the police officer must have done his job correctly, and his equipment must be up to scratch. this all comes into play before we even look at weather it is ok to book both of us with an alleged reading that has only come from one bike.

Just 2 thoughts at this stage:
Personally I think that for all the time wasted arguing over the issue, scheming how to get out of it, etc you would've been better off working a bit of overtime to earn the extra $ to pay the fine.

Secondly...I used to often check the calibration dates at the petrol pump when I'd fill up - just in case the pump was out of date...therefore how could they possibly know for certain I had pumped $90 worth of fuel instead of $9?
I have since discovered there is normally several months overlap between test dates. I'm certain you will find it the same with the cops radar, wof, rego etc. I cannot imagine them letting it get out of date for all the hassles it would create.

If you are really intent on fighting it, then I would think the margin of error would be your best bet...then again the judge might rule you were probably doing 150km/hr instead (+$x fine)

[swbarnett]

How so...murderers get put in jail, speeders generally don't...silly boy

Let me clarify - Alledged murderers.

[TimeOut]

hmmmmm we got pulled over just south of Kaikoura as a group.....about 6 of us....for speeding. The cop was a good bastard...spent more time yakking about the bikes than the fact we were doing 119kms. In the end He only gave us a warning and let us go and his parting statment was..who do I give the ticket to......I only got one of ya and I don't know who it was...shrugged his shoulders and laughed. We thought he was a good chap....for a copper....lol

Same thing happened to my brother years ago 160+ though, cop was none to happy and gave them a lecture for about half an hour.
But I think the cop has probably got indivual readings on you as you passed.

[spudchucka]

Uh, things have changed - over 650 now!!

Its been a while since I dealt with an EBA, they should bring back the 600 conclusive - no option for blood too.

[spudchucka]

Why would his WOF/Reg have any impact on this case what so ever?

It won't, bush lawyers strike again.

[Grahameeboy]

Let me clarify - Alledged murderers.

Alleged...

[HungusMaximist]

This isn't constructive, but when you had the chance you should've just slapped the damm radar gun off his hand and smashed it to pieces with your boots.

Now where's the evidence?

[Mikkel]

This isn't constructive, but when you had the chance you should've just slapped the damm radar gun off his hand and smashed it to pieces with your boots.

Now where's the evidence?

This is how I've understood it - and if I'm mistaken please correct me resident police officers...

There's actually a considerable problem with how the speed limit enforcement is handled in NZ. There is actually no body of evidence. It's the cops word against the offenders.

It's not like the radar gun actually records the speed in a log with dates on it. The lock just locks the number in place... (Or am I mistaken about this?)


In Denmark they have video rigs in the cars and the video show the speed of the cop car, what is being targeted and the speed of the target. The video is evidence and can be used in court.

[davereid]

OK, the facts about radar....

Police regularly use radar where multiple vehicles are potential targets.

They will then attempt to get a confession ; "why were you speeding, I clocked you at 142". Most of the time, your attempt at an explanation is as good as a confession.

Why it matters ?

Because the doppler shift radar the police use should not be used in multiple target situations. For technical reasons, not legal ones.

The basic thing being, it cannot identify its target. The cop has to guess. In fact, early models cant even tell which direction the target vehicle is travelling !

Accuracy. This depends on stationary or mobile mode. From the Stalker DSR 2X spec sheet it may typically be +1.6 - 3.2 km/hr in stationary mode. It claims +/- 3.2 km/hr in mobile mode.

These radar units claim to track up to 4 vehicles... they can certainly display the speed of 4 targets, but as they have no idea which target is which, you should defend this case, particularly if you made no admission of guilt.

More info on my web page http://www.eslnz.com/radar.html

[hospitalfood]

OK, the facts about radar....

Police regularly use radar where multiple vehicles are potential targets.

They will then attempt to get a confession ; "why were you speeding, I clocked you at 142". Most of the time, your attempt at an explanation is as good as a confession.

Why it matters ?

Because the doppler shift radar the police use should not be used in multiple target situations. For technical reasons, not legal ones.

The basic thing being, it cannot identify its target. The cop has to guess. In fact, early models cant even tell which direction the target vehicle is travelling !

Accuracy. This depends on stationary or mobile mode. From the Stalker DSR 2X spec sheet it may typically be +1.6 - 3.2 km/hr in stationary mode. It claims +/- 3.2 km/hr in mobile mode.

These radar units claim to track up to 4 vehicles... they can certainly display the speed of 4 targets, but as they have no idea which target is which, you should defend this case, particularly if you made no admission of guilt.

More info on my web page http://www.eslnz.com/radar.html

this is great info, thanks heaps.
any more info like this anybody ?
or tales of people getting let off in court ? and how ?

[davereid]

at least it is a ticket you can defend... with a reasonable expectation of winning. A smart cop would just have charged you with "display of speed or acceleration" or what ever the new nazis call it. Then they always win !

[ynot slow]

Hard to defend the speedo being out by say 30km over limit if it was 100km zone.

If you goto court and lose the case,at least you have the option of paying the fine off.Albeit the court costs are added.

Also if your close to losing license because of demerit points,at least you get rid of them because of disqualification? or not.Thought they expired once license was taken.