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    Quote Originally Posted by Badjelly View Post
    There remains the question of how much hydrocarbon emissions matter.
    Quote Originally Posted by Motu View Post
    Frankly Badjelly....I don't give a damn.
    I wasn't thinking about whether they matter to you. Nor do I particularly care whether this thread matters (though I hope it matters more than "Is Harley bashing a jealousy thing?"). What I'm concerned about is whether they matter to the people breathing the exhaust fumes.

    One reason airborne hydrocarbons definitely do matter, in some times and in some places, is because they are precursors to photochemical smog, as in Los Angeles. This is why the Californian authorities introduced controls on motorcycle hydrocarbon emissions in 1975, eg see:

    http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/motcycle/onrdmc.htm

    They also tried to control hydrocarbon emissions from a whole bunch of other sources as well as vehicles: dry cleaning, petrol stations, household solvents. I think these were the regulations that killed the old mainstream 2-strokes, the Kwaka 250-750, the Suzuki GT series.

    In other places photochemical smog is not such an issue, but there's also the question of the toxicity of some of the hydrocarbons, notably benzene. One of the big problems in assessing the effects of air pollution is the complexity of the chemistry involved. There is good evidence that air pollution is bad for people, but it's very hard to work out which specific chemicals are doing the damage.

    But, you don't give a damn? Noted.

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    Emission regulations have made a big difference in Bangkok over the last 10 years. The old 2T motorbikes have mostly disappeared and have been replaced with 4T bikes. While not what you would call clean, the metro bangkok air is at least see through now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bungbung View Post
    Emission regulations have made a big difference in Bangkok over the last 10 years. The old 2T motorbikes have mostly disappeared and have been replaced with 4T bikes. While not what you would call clean, the metro bangkok air is at least see through now.
    But ... but, hasn't anyone told them 4Ts are boring and slow?

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    I havent read this whole thread, but i've just bought a new 2T and it meets the latest E9 emissions standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daaatomic View Post
    I havent read this whole thread, but i've just bought a new 2T and it meets the latest E9 emissions standards.
    I'll summarise the thread for you. BJ (me): nag, nag. Everyone else: f**k off.

    But tell us more about the bike! It is a bike, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badjelly View Post
    I'll summarise the thread for you. BJ (me): nag, nag. Everyone else: f**k off.
    well put!

    yes, it's a bike. 50cc of 2T fury. And according to a guy who owns one, he only used 1ltr of oil over 2000kms.

    Made by gas gas, in spain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcupit69 View Post
    Castrol TTS is good, but doesnt give that 2stroke smell
    Ironic, considering Castrol's origins...

    Now, when are the manufacturers gonna start releasing DI stinkwheels in capacities bigger than 50cc??

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    Quote Originally Posted by more_fasterer View Post
    Ironic, considering Castrol's origins...

    Now, when are the manufacturers gonna start releasing DI stinkwheels in capacities bigger than 50cc??
    Saw 'castrol TTS racing' the other day and was tempted to give it a go, but at almost $30 a litre it stayed on the shelf! Anyone know if the TTS racing is worth the extra $$$, or what benefits it has over regular TTS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcupit69 View Post
    Saw 'castrol TTS racing' the other day and was tempted to give it a go, but at almost $30 a litre it stayed on the shelf! Anyone know if the TTS racing is worth the extra $$$, or what benefits it has over regular TTS?
    I didn't know there was an oil called "TTS Racing". And last time I looked (Supercheap Auto, Lyall Bay, last year) ordinary TTS was $27 per litre.

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    Two strokes - a complete drop dead gorgeous slapper with the best body.
    4 strokes - ya mum.

    One is good for everyday crap - the other you just want to fuck. Thats the best comparison i have.
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    I would just like to randomly add to this thread that fully-synthetic 2T oil is made from soybeans, and is thus carbon neutral

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie View Post
    I would just like to randomly add to this thread that fully-synthetic 2T oil is made from soybeans, and is thus carbon neutral
    Call me a geek, but I want to know if this is actually true. Not that I'm doubting you or anything, but someone once told me you couldn't believe everything you read on the Internet.

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    Two strokes you got to love them, love the sound, love the smell
    If only they would bring back the big bangers I'll be in for one !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bungbung View Post
    Emission regulations have made a big difference in Bangkok over the last 10 years. The old 2T motorbikes have mostly disappeared and have been replaced with 4T bikes. While not what you would call clean, the metro bangkok air is at least see through now.
    Just a short wait for the Humvees and vipers to replace the 4t bikes, and the air quality will be LA..

    Progress the American way.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badjelly View Post
    Call me a geek, but I want to know if this is actually true. Not that I'm doubting you or anything, but someone once told me you couldn't believe everything you read on the Internet.
    I don't believe that
    Opinions are like arseholes: Everybody has got one, but that doesn't mean you got to air it in public all the time....

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