How much lean angle have I got?

[Ocean1]

And of course Ocean1 is correct about Murphy's law - it's the 0th law of thermodynamics!

And I'll just keep quite about the fact that you just reapply the ruler/tape measure the necessary number of times to complete the measurement...

One thing generally little understood about Murphy's Law is that it was not actually coined by Murphy, was another dude with the same name.

O'flanagan's corollary (to Murphy's Law): "Murphy was an Optimist."

Now Murphy knew all about testing the limits until meltdown. He was a rocket-sled tester. They were probably less safe than they sound.

Unless you are Murphy, play it safe.

Nichols' Fourth Law: "Avoid any action with an unacceptable outcome."

I have to post my favourite Murphy story. One of his teams tested 'plane cockpits for birdstrike. Thy developed a cannon that fired a chicken at the glass. They leant it to a well-known 'plane manufacturer who phoned up totally furious - "your damn cannon nearly killed someone - the chicken smashed through the cockpit, ripped through the lenght of the plane and lodged in the rear bulkhead".

"Well, next time defrost the chicken ..."

Stapp's Paradox: "The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle."

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[onearmedbandit]

"Well, next time defrost the chicken ..."

Well I saw a mythbusters episode where they tested both frozen and unfrozen chickens and found no difference. They were expecting a difference.

[Mikkel]

Anyway, I think we have to bring this thing back on-topic...

I dare say that trying to establish your maximum lean angle before loosing grip would most likely only provide proof for Murphy's Law.

[90s]

Anyway, I think we have to bring this thing back on-topic..

So that's the way this internet is meant to work?

In the real world finding the absolute limit of your tyres, and trying to 'feel' for the edge of the grip envelope is totally species anyway, because what today in the sun = grippy melting tarmac tomorrow = early dew on cold metal. If there are too many variables to factor in for the theorectical max lean for tyres, imagine factoring in the total number of pertinent external environmental factors - after all the contact patch connects to something ...

[Mental Trousers]

what are the courses that you have done in the past that addresses what a bike feels like when it is pushed to its limits? I would be interested in something like this. Who runs them?

Most of the training courses I did were 12-15 years ago so I'm not sure who or which courses you'd need to take. However, check what your local rider training school offers and ask questions. Usually that sort of stuff is part of the advanced road rider training.

[discotex]

Well I saw a mythbusters episode where they tested both frozen and unfrozen chickens and found no difference. They were expecting a difference.

I thought they re-tested that in one of their "viewers complained we didn't test it fairly so we're doing it again" episodes and found that indeed frozen packed more punch.

[henry]

On my Hyosung I could scrape the foot pegs and the side stand bracket without running out of grip, as long as the road was smooth.

[Skyryder]

When sparks come off the rims you know that you have gone too far.

Skyryder

[Kendog]

Did exactly that.

Got a cargo strap around the garage rafter and leaned it over to 45deg, scary. Then leaned it to the 55deg Mr Buell says is max. Is a good way to scare the crap outa oneself.

Did you take a picture of that?

[Ocean1]

Did you take a picture of that?

No.

Easy enough to do though.

Why?

[Kendog]

No.

Easy enough to do though.

Why?

I am really curious to see what a road bike looks like at that angle.

[Ocean1]

I am really curious to see what a road bike looks like at that angle.

Looks... improbable.

Will acquire pic when I've got a bit of spare time eh? and workshop space, bit tight at the mo.

[Kendog]

Looks... improbable.

Will acquire pic when I've got a bit of spare time eh? and workshop space, bit tight at the mo.

Sweet thanks, or next time you go for a ride let me know and I can take a picture of you.

[Ocean1]

Sweet thanks, or next time you go for a ride let me know and I can take a picture of you.

Dude, 55 deg on the Buell is grazing the wee feeler thingies on the footrests.

Considering Mr Michelin's limit is well short of that and that there's a discernable chicken sliver on the rear I doubt I've ever been within half a foot of that.

But if you promise to hold the cargo strap I'll give it a go eh?

[xgnr]

I was told I went faster (than my mate) round twisties cos I had skinnier tyres... just goes to show that it ain't that simple.