How much lean angle have I got?

[WRT]

Been spring cleaning, I can finally see the floor of the gargre.

And I was bored.

1. Mr Buell's recommended limit, 55deg, (note the peg's still 40mm odd clear).

The peg may be 40mm clear with no rider attached or cornering G's in force, but I bet it's a different story when you've got it cranked over through a high speed sweeper!

[Ocean1]

The peg may be 40mm clear with no rider attached or cornering G's in force, but I bet it's a different story when you've got it cranked over through a high speed sweeper!

I assume the wee feelers do, in fact represent hard contact at Mr Buell's limit, looks about right eh?

I've certainly never scraped the feelers though, flicked the odd stone with 'em, and that scared me quite enough ta very bloody much.

[racefactory]

This is a great thread but only 2 useful replies as far as i have seen that describe the feeling.

I would very much like to know something more realistic: lean angle in wet. Obviously in the dry, it is pretty much known as long as the bike is not accelerating or slowing down in the turn and therefore using up more traction, modern day tyres will easilly support peg scraping, fairing scraping lean angles.

However, in the wet we (at least i do) pull lean angles closer to the lean limits that are still by miles short of peg scraping and knee downs. In wet racing, you can see they are often going round the bends at same lean as we would on the roads! I would very much like to know how you can feel when you are at maximum lean in the wet as it is far more usual for us to get closer to these ''maximum lean angles'' during wet, than dry. What are the symptons that you are getting close?

Racers use the knee scraping to tell how far they are to the limits but in the wet they seldom get their knee down- therefore how can they tell they are on the edge??

Anyone done any peg scraping in the wet?

Last thing to confuse things further more!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OOpE7fBw28 insane....

[boomer]

This is a great thread but only 2 useful replies as far as i have seen that describe the feeling.

I would very much like to know something more realistic: lean angle in wet. Obviously in the dry, it is pretty much known as long as the bike is not accelerating or slowing down in the turn and therefore using up more traction, modern day tyres will easilly support peg scraping, fairing scraping lean angles.

However, in the wet we (at least i do) pull lean angles closer to the lean limits that are still by miles short of peg scraping and knee downs. In wet racing, you can see they are often going round the bends at same lean as we would on the roads! I would very much like to know how you can feel when you are at maximum lean in the wet as it is far more usual for us to get closer to these ''maximum lean angles'' during wet, than dry. What are the symptons that you are getting close?

Racers use the knee scraping to tell how far they are to the limits but in the wet they seldom get their knee down- therefore how can they tell they are on the edge??

the rear or front starts to slip.. it pushs out or lets go, but keeps you upright! call it what you will. lean teh fooker just teh same as in the dry.. you soon realise when you've lost or about to lose traction.

Then again, i cannot be held responsible for you not having wets, intermediates or the ability to feel what teh tyres/suspension are doing... thats something you need to learn and something the bike can be tuned to help tell you !


ps.. i rode like a nana in teh wet because the 'let go and not come back' limit/time is a lot quicker than in the dry..!

[racerhead]

When Im getting near the limits of lean and grip in the wet I feel the bike gets alot twitchier or sensitive and then closer to the limit you can start to feel the front or rear and sometimes both tyres starting to slide a little. With most good quality modern tyres they allow you to feel things alot better and rarely just "let go" with no warning unless your being hamfisted with the throttle or body movements. The main thing when riding near the limits is to relax so if the bike does start to slide you wont just freeze which will magnify the problems. Hope this helps

[racefactory]

That really does help man- thanks. Some people have said the bars start weaving/shaking, do you find that also happens?

If only i had some crash knobs i'd love to go out and try this in a car park...

[bungbung]

Mental-Trousers,
what are the courses that you have done in the past that addresses what a bike feels like when it is pushed to its limits? I would be interested in something like this. Who runs them?

Come along to a bucket meet. I'm sure you will be made welcome, and am certain you will find an answer.