Making excuses

[Badjelly]

I live in Auckland, but I tend to ride to Wellywood a few times each year. I'll be sure to include you in my plans for some cruisin' next time I'm down, if you're keen.

Thank you. That's a definite maybe from me.

I've still never ridden the Wainui coast road, you know.

Great road.

It's not always about the speed. Scorpios are cool.

Definitely, I'm a great fan, but they do have their limits.

How far off your full licence are you? We could swap bikes if you're legal on mine and you trust me with yours...

I've had my full license since 1973. (You may wish to readjust your mental image of me at this point.)

[onearmedbandit]

Dunno about that. A small bike is more of a test of a rider than a big one.

Anyone can ride a big bike fast, y'just have to tweak the throttle a bit more

But riding a small bike means extracting every bit of speed the bike can give. A big bike rider can afford to be shit through the corners, he can easily make it up on the exit (not talking race tracks here, mind). The small bike rider doesn't have that luxury, he needs to conserve every bit of speed he can through the corner, momentum is precious.

Similarly with overtaking, the big bike rider can just blast past, the small bike rider must time things carefully, gain every advantage he can from slipstream and run in, reduce his wind resistance to a minimum, and plot a line which minimises speed loss.

Riding a small bike fast takes far more skill than riding a big one.

It's all relative. Two big bikes racing each other have to be doing the same, but with a lot more throttle finesse. So it could be argued that riding a big bike fast requires more skill. I've owned small bikes, medium bikes and big bikes. The big bikes take more skill to ride at the top limit then smaller ones. You can get away with a lot more on a smaller bike.

[T.W.R]

Dunno about that. A small bike is more of a test of a rider than a big one.

Anyone can ride a big bike fast, y'just have to tweak the throttle a bit more

But riding a small bike means extracting every bit of speed the bike can give. A big bike rider can afford to be shit through the corners, he can easily make it up on the exit (not talking race tracks here, mind). The small bike rider doesn't have that luxury, he needs to conserve every bit of speed he can through the corner, momentum is precious.

Similarly with overtaking, the big bike rider can just blast past, the small bike rider must time things carefully, gain every advantage he can from slipstream and run in, reduce his wind resistance to a minimum, and plot a line which minimises speed loss.

Riding a small bike fast takes far more skill than riding a big one.

6 pages of bollocks, dribble, & and in amongst it all 1 post of truth

[enigma51]

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[BIGBOSSMAN]

6 pages of bollocks, dribble, & and in amongst it all 1 post of truth

Bollocks dribble? Spunk!
Anyway, riding a small capacity bike is tricky if you're trying to go fast and keep it 'on the pipe', especially 2 strokes.
But one twist of the throttle on, say a Gixxer thou and you'll possibly end up in a whole heap of trouble.
So I agree with onearmedbandit on this one.

[Badjelly]

Thread successfully derailed. My work here is done.

Sorry, Katman, but your original complaint about riders making excuses was never going to go anywhere useful, was it?

[avgas]

I would take a proactive approach and help out with such places as RRRS and get involved with the public and local mayor re. roads, rather than knowingly spout shit on a forum expecting praise for my fake heroism of making the roads safe via the internet.

Wow your right, sorry i miss read your post.
Mabey we should start a forum to discuss issues with the road, an agm, leaflets, lets all have a chat about it and feel better.
See my point.
I am truly sorry as i'm not being critical to you, and by the sounds of things you know what went wrong.
But if you admitted fault.......why do you dissagree with Katmans post? All he is saying is excuses are bullshit - you state that gravel caused the fall, now you state that you were also at fault? I am confused.
Just to clear something up - when the bike went down, who was riding it? Did anything crash into you?
Or you can blame god, i hear he makes gravel.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dunno about that. A small bike is more of a test of a rider than a big one.

Anyone can ride a big bike fast, y'just have to tweak the throttle a bit more

But riding a small bike means extracting every bit of speed the bike can give. A big bike rider can afford to be shit through the corners, he can easily make it up on the exit (not talking race tracks here, mind). The small bike rider doesn't have that luxury, he needs to conserve every bit of speed he can through the corner, momentum is precious.

Similarly with overtaking, the big bike rider can just blast past, the small bike rider must time things carefully, gain every advantage he can from slipstream and run in, reduce his wind resistance to a minimum, and plot a line which minimises speed loss.

Riding a small bike fast takes far more skill than riding a big one.

WRONG.

I used to race 125 moto-x and was way faster doing so on my 125 than I was when I went to a 500. The extra power is way harder to use. As it is with road race (or road going bikes) bikes. Notice how most 250 guys used to struggle with the 500's? More power and more weight more often than not make people slower.

[jrandom]

I've had my full license since 1973. (You may wish to readjust your mental image of me at this point.)

*readjusts mental image of Badjelly from stroppy teenager to grumpy curmudgeon*

Excellent, a bike swap ride down the Wainui coast road it is then.

I'll be in touch in due course.

[Maha]

Yay post 100...........

[zeocen]

Wow your right, sorry i miss read your post.
Mabey we should start a forum to discuss issues with the road, an agm, leaflets, lets all have a chat about it and feel better.
See my point.
I am truly sorry as i'm not being critical to you, and by the sounds of things you know what went wrong.
But if you admitted fault.......why do you dissagree with Katmans post? All he is saying is excuses are bullshit - you state that gravel caused the fall, now you state that you were also at fault? I am confused.
Just to clear something up - when the bike went down, who was riding it? Did anything crash into you?
Or you can blame god, i hear he makes gravel.

I am saying he a) goes about it the wrong way (I've already said ways he could go about it, and that I agree with what he says just not how he presents it, keep up.) or b) is doing it as a piss take to get a rise out of people. I'm leaning more towards B at this point.

I'm saying it was because of gravel, that I fell, had I refined my basics and given myself room for improvement I could have either corrected my mistakes after hitting it or missed it alltogether.

Your sarcastic quips aren't becomming, I'm beginning to agree with Maha Man, so out I go of this argument, feel free to quote me and make some more sarcastic flings, they're great mate! The only worth this thread has now is setting up rides for jrandom and BadJelly (ps, can I come!?).

[Bonez]

DON'T FEED THE TROLL I've had two incidents involving cars whilst I was riding in built up areas doing the speed limit or less. One failed to stop at a stop sign and one t-boned me. Absolutely no way I could have avoided either.
The police, insurance companies and the vehical drivers agreed with me.

Seem someone needs to get there head out of their anal cavity.

[Katman]

You can still get the message across in a timid, friendly manor, you know.

What? Like this?

Fuck that.

[T.W.R]

Bollocks dribble? Spunk!
Anyway, riding a small capacity bike is tricky if you're trying to go fast and keep it 'on the pipe', especially 2 strokes.
But one twist of the throttle on, say a Gixxer thou and you'll possibly end up in a whole heap of trouble.
So I agree with onearmedbandit on this one.

Most of the posts have been like bantam roosters ruffling their feathers at each other

There's far more entertainment and enjoyment riding a smaller capacity machine at 7/10 and beyond more consistently than riding a litre plus machine at 5/10 - 8/10 on the odd occasion.
Doesn't matter what size a bike is they'll all get you into trouble one way or another

[kiwifruit]

What? Like this?

Fuck that.

your hair can wait, lets go for a ride!