Are there any tree huggers out there?

[Headbanger]

More's the pity. The world needs many, many more eco-nutbars!



Ah, so that's an option c) then? You seem to recognise the problem, at least to some extent "I'm all for a society that ships by ship, and travels by train and motorcycles". So how, do you think, is actively participating in the continuation and extension of the problem going to solve it?

You know, sometimes you just have to do what's right irrespective of what those around you are doing.

Nope, I don't have to all, No matter what you think.

Watch me not do it.

Point proven?

Big businesses taxing me for more profit, or me making sacrifices is not the solution, or even part of the solution. Don't delude yourself.

Certain industries need to die, Not increase their profit.

Ground airlines
Massive tax on cars
Halve fishing.
Shut down major pollutants. now, today, Pinpoint em, pull the plug, tell em to fuck off.
Massive investment in public transport, nationally,city to city.
Halt to disposable rubbish imported from China and elsewhere.

It won't happen because the world runs on money.

If the big players won't play ball then fuck em all. If they can kill monks I can use plastic bags.







Though, I refuse to use plastic bags.

[Finn]

Until the Green Party, Liarbour & MMP disappear, I will continue to do the following:

Tip used oil down the drain
Buy the largest petrol engined SUV's and fucken use them
Recycling? Forget about it
Use lots and lots of plastics bags
Generally abuse the environment

In the building where I work, there are a few academic morons. One of them bought one of those toxic timebomb hybrid cars. We pulled in at the same time and got out. He gave me this look of disapproval of my gas guzzling, scooter crunching SUV so I looked at his pathetic car and said, "Kinda counters out what you're trying to do eh?"

Fucking hippies.

[BiK3RChiK]

I'm all for the environment but I don't agree with the carbon credit thing. I think it's a PR exercise in 'I'm caring for the environment!' while still spewing poisons into the atmosphere at a great rate. Sounds like a load of BS to me! Actively doing things to REDUCE emissions gets my vote...

[MisterD]

Its probably just a trial to see what kind of interest there is. I get the feeling that carbon credit/tax is going to become mandatory soon anyway, so Air NZ is just dipping their toes into the water to get a feel for how it will affect their passenger numbers (or something like that).

More like they're following suit with other major airlines (BA started their scheme two years ago), just in case it turns out to be something people will make part of their buying decision....

For those of you with the "it's all window dressing, what's the f-ing point" POV, you will be happy to learn that a parlimentary select committee report found that in it's first year of operation BA's scheme planted enough trees to offset a massive 4 return transatlantic flights

[ElCoyote]

OK, I'll bite. (Much though I expect this thread will devolve into the usual bullshit slinging match... I must be bored).

So are you:
a) in denial and don't believe in science you find personally inconvenient, or
b) sufficiently amoral so as not care about destroying my children's future (to pick on only one very very tiny aspect of the potential trouble ahead), or
c) presenting the "but all the other kids do it too, mom, and they're worse then me" defense - which didn't work when I was a kid, either, or
d) a troll from a well known right wing party trotting out anti-Green poison PR lines...?

Did I miss any?

I haven't even looked at the Air NZ announcement today, so can't comment on it. But I'd be delighted to hear your alternative solutions for saving the planet.

Is that you Helen?

[rainman]

Nope, I don't have to all, No matter what you think.

Watch me not do it.

Point proven?

You're picking on semantics (or perhaps just showing you have little moral fortitude). Fine oh pedantic one, maybe the better word is "ought" rather than "have to" but that doesn't suffciently convey my essential point that just because others are doing something wrong, doesn't make it right. Most of the grown-ups among us should have learned that in our teens, or thereabouts. (You are out of your teens, aren't you?)

Big businesses taxing me for more profit, or me making sacrifices is not the solution, or even part of the solution. Don't delude yourself.

Actually, I was looking for your solution, not commenting on Air NZ....

Ground airlines
Massive tax on cars
Halve fishing.
Shut down major pollutants. now, today, Pinpoint em, pull the plug, tell em to fuck off.
Massive investment in public transport, nationally,city to city.
Halt to disposable rubbish imported from China and elsewhere.

...which appears to be a dictatorship? With a "massive tax on cars"? But I thought big business taxing you for more profit was not even part of the solution? And there I was thinking you might just be another common-or-garden libertarian.

The most telling part of your post is "me making sacrifices is not the solution" - you're just another selfish git with no moral compass. At least you won't be lonely on this planet. (Although that dictatorship shit will make you unpopular with the right wingers....)

I like the massive investment in public transport, btw, and your earlier point about ships, trains and bikes. So where's the funding coming from if not taxes?

Until the Green Party, Liarbour & MMP disappear, I will continue to do the following:

Tip used oil down the drain
Buy the largest petrol engined SUV's and fucken use them
Recycling? Forget about it
Use lots and lots of plastics bags
Generally abuse the environment

What a man! Look, everyone, Finn has a big penis! (Or did I mis-spell "has"?)

Actively doing things to REDUCE emissions gets my vote...

Works for me. But how do you achieve this in a world populated by Finns and Headbangers?

Is that you Helen?

Classy. Hyuk. Hyuk.

[Deano]

I'm going to stop using my bike for 'leisure' riding too, only use it when absolutley necessary........YEAH RIGHT !

[vifferman]

Air NZ don't do anything unless there are dollars in it. If they want to reduce their footprint try renewing their aging 737 fleet for a start.

Actually, they're renewing their whole fleet, not just the 737s.

[Dodger]

Many years ago I destroyed 200 acres of Aussie forest with a 20T excavator, then burnt it all in huge fires.

It was freaking awesome, as far as the eye could see....Rolling hills covered in destroyed vegetation, and huge roaring fires with 40 foot flames pumping plumes of black smoke into the air.

Knocking over the trees was also a hard case, Every so often a koala would come tumbling down from high above and do a little bounce a couple of feet in front of my tracks.

So in answer to the initial question, No, I'm no tree bugger, But I enjoy a good fire.

Bling Bling!

[Finn]

Yip, you're pretty much wasting your time Rainman. For all the little insignificant effort you put into the green movement, there will always be people like me around who just don't fall for all this bullshit.

[Tank]

You know, sometimes you just have to do what's right irrespective of what those around you are doing.

Who says what they are doing is right? Or that they are even heading in the right decision?

All the treehugging eco weenies go buy a Pirus or other hybrid and say 'ohh look at me - Im good for the enviornment' - yet the cost to the enviornment is higher over the life of the car. (look it up well documented yadda, yadda).

1/2 the time its just jumping on the bandwagon. Hell if Air New Zealand care so much - what about dropping off 1/2 full flights, turning off all the lights on they fucken huge billboards they have, take the carbon credit hit themselves? Its all bullshit based around $$$$ - not being 'good' or 'right' - Its a piss arsed marketing ploy and I for one am sick of it.

Besides - big cars, big bikes and big trucks are cool.

Global warming - hell it gives me more warm sunny days in which to enjoy the bike - so its gotta be good to right?

[Pwalo]

Hey as long as it's a voluntary tax, I'm more than happy for those who feel they need to pay it to do so.

I certainly won't as I see no logic in paying for something that appears to have no logic, other than an hysterical need to 'do something'.

[merv]

Where's my credits (I'll take it in cash thanks) coz I go to work on the train?

[glice]

I'm doing my bit by riding a motorbike and I'm still waiting for my tax cuts because I do ride. the rego for a motorbike Is way to much, the acc levey is huge.
And its all this emissions crap that has killed the 2 banger. why do they worry about that so much when there are so many other things that could be banashed which would be much better for the planet.

[Swoop]

Carbon credits?
Fucking bullshit. All invented so a "certain few" can make a shit load of money.
The stupid thing is that people fall for this stuff. I wonder how their Nigerian friend with the millions of dollars to "give away - for a small deposit of course", is getting on?

Every so often a koala would come tumbling down from high above and do a little bounce a couple of feet in front of my tracks.

Ahh, the legendary "Drop Bear!"