Are there any tree huggers out there?

[Headbanger]

I'm a proud supporter of climate change, about time we had some good long summers.

I see pollution as a separate issue, worth addressing, but it aint got fuck all to do with my shit.


What bunch of fucking moronic shitheads killed off the 2-stroke engine?

[Ixion]

I used to have a social conscience but some prick stole it from my garage while he was on parole. I had it replaced under insurance but then your Government taxed it away from me.

There's nothing wrong with the environment. We're just over populated because of people like yourself with an over inflated social conscience. Just take a look at Africa. $1 a day - talk about ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. They should be handing out condoms, not fucking food.

However, in countries like Africa, having many children is a sensible insurance policy for old age. Firstly, many of the children will die before adult hood. And it is essential that some at least survive, because in time you will be too old and feeble to hunt or grow crops. Who then will feed you ? Such African nations have no social welfare policies (I would have thought that might have commended them to you). If you are old, injured or ill and have no family to care for you, you will starve.

Ensuring that you have such a family is just common sense.

We should not unthinkingly extrapolate our own social dynamics to other societies. Usually any society works the way it does for good reasons, over a long enough time frame

[Zuki Bandit]

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[The Pastor]

OK, I'll bite. (Much though I expect this thread will devolve into the usual bullshit slinging match... I must be bored).

So are you:
a) in denial and don't believe in science you find personally inconvenient, or
b) sufficiently amoral so as not care about destroying my children's future (to pick on only one very very tiny aspect of the potential trouble ahead), or
c) presenting the "but all the other kids do it too, mom, and they're worse then me" defense - which didn't work when I was a kid, either, or
d) a troll from a well known right wing party trotting out anti-Green poison PR lines...?

Did I miss any?

I haven't even looked at the Air NZ announcement today, so can't comment on it. But I'd be delighted to hear your alternative solutions for saving the planet.

I just dont care, and I dont have the extra money to waste.

I don't see how paying more money = less carbon.

Don't feed me the bs that trees eat the carbonz flying around in the air.

[Headbanger]

If you are old, injured or ill and have no family to care for you, you will starve.

Ensuring that you have such a family is just common sense.

We should not unthinkingly extrapolate our own social dynamics to other societies. Usually any society works the way it does for good reasons, over a long enough time frame

ok, and do we see this happening?, The old and sick being looked after by their young?

Fuck no, The old and sick are dead.hell, You get weak or slow and your dead, And the young are too busy trying to live off 3 grains of rice a week and pumping out a few kids of their own to die.

They may have a plan, it may make sense to them, Its still a total and utter shit plan that doesn't work

I don't donate until they address the real problem, If there is too many people for the amount of food, stop fucking.

[rainman]

...stop fucking.

May I recommend to you then this fine website...

And I haven't gone away, I'll respond to the other posts above later on - sadly, work has intervened.

[ElCoyote]

Whatcha reckon?

After reading this thread I'll respond thus: RAINMAN, ask yourself how many votes the Groans got last election, take a photo because as few as it was then it will be more than this upcoming election.

TREEHUGGERS, continue to hug, and when the tentacles join themselves around your "body?" consult your intellect.

ALL GROANS, you will find most people are responsible in their own way, aside from those who are bereft of media influence or cannot read/understand newspapers.

You cannot push the proverbial uphill unless you are delusioned or are making money pretending to do so.

Which category are you in Rainman? Given time, one of the major retailers will have a special on commonsense and you can rejoin the real world. Meanwhile suck (up to) Uncle Helen, wipe your rose coloured spectacles, inhale the organically grown coffee beans and continue using electricity and oxygen to your (hearts?) content.

A wee word of advice, if I may be so presumptious. Don't align yourself too closely to your Labour Comrades because they are soon to be Kaput, Finis (said in a Russian/French accent)

Uncle Helen and his ilk have created the very world you espouse to despise.

I am constantly surprised (although I shouldn't be) with the rapidity with which zealots become quislings when their idealology is exposed as the fraud it is.

Bugger is currently deemed an offensive word, and believe me Hugger, will, when your children are able to comprehend the difference, be no different to TUGGER.

Make hay while the sunshines comrade, and NEVER let the truth get in the way of a good story.

[Headbanger]

May I recommend to you then this fine website...

And I haven't gone away, I'll respond to the other posts above later on - sadly, work has intervened.

Mankind will eventually die out no matter what anyone does, happens to everything, a new balance will be found and the world will keep on spinning, the weather will keep on changing as it has since day one, The sea levels will always be moving and eventually, the sun will die.

The end.

Makes no real difference if we save the whales or cut them up for the fluid in their eyeballs. Eat all the tofu and hug as many trees as you like.

[Ixion]

Mankind will eventually die out no matter what anyone does, happens to everything, a new balance will be found and the world will keep on spinning, the weather will keep on changing as it has since day one, The sea levels will always be moving and eventually, the sun will die.

The end.

.

Except for that cockroach hooning around on a plastic maggot.

[rainman]

RAINMAN, ask yourself how many votes the Groans got last election, take a photo because as few as it was then it will be more than this upcoming election.

Sadly, you may be right. But what's your point?

Meanwhile suck (up to) Uncle Helen, wipe your rose coloured spectacles, inhale the organically grown coffee beans and continue using electricity and oxygen to your (hearts?) content.

A wee word of advice, if I may be so presumptious. Don't align yourself too closely to your Labour Comrades because they are soon to be Kaput, Finis (said in a Russian/French accent)

Uncle Helen and his ilk have created the very world you espouse to despise.

I'm always astounded by the assumptions people make. Over the last few elections, depending on the context, issues and candidate the parties I've voted for have included National, Act, Labour and Green, that I can remember - quite possibly more, although some of the lesser parties are approximately equivalent to a spoiled ballot so probably not the ALCP and the like. I am not, despite Mr Finn's and your lack of imagination, closely aligned to Labour (or National, for that matter, or even the Greens) but I focus on and evaluate the issues I view as important. I'm some distance away from being a sandal/kaftan-wearing tree-hugger, or a flag-waving commie activist, and such characterisations provide a good deal of mirth to them what knows me.

And yes, if I were a betting man I wouldn't put a fiver on the chances of a Labour 4th term. But let me not meddle too much with your world view...

[ElCoyote]

[QUOTE=rainman;1494707]Sadly, you may be right. But what's your point?
QUOTE]
My point is, you have (self confessed) nonimated how many political parties you have voted for. None of the aforementioned have altered the world one iota and neither will you. You obviously do not have the courage of your convictions to stick to an ideal. The only good thing you could say about Uncle Helen is, "it" has always been a communist raver. You on other hand situate yourself to jump whenever the weather changes without looking back. Lack of moral fibre springs to mind.

I would love to debate (verbally of course) this with you in person in the public bar of any hotel you wish to nominate, so long I would imagine as they serve vodka.

Solidarity comrade

[homer]

I see that Air NZ is allowing you to ease your conscience by paying for carbon credits against your air fare.

Are there any riders in the Biking community that would be prepared to pay more for their petrol to similarly ease their conscience?

Personally I think it is absolute crap and it is amazing that the world is being steered by the politically unusual - not unlike what Hitler managed to do in Germany all those years ago. Don't try and convince me with facts; just tell me a good story.

While I agree that we shouldn't be wasteful and I am a bit of a conservationist myself (solar heating etc.), the hand wringing and finger pointing by the extreme socialists (otherwise called the Greens) is amazing.

Would I pay for carbon credits? Not f***ing likely.

Whatcha reckon?

Technically :
since i work here and pay tax here , I recken that with all our parks ,national parks, crown land run by DOC etc etc .
wheres my cut
After all should we all be able to sell our little divy as credits and pocket it .
wonder how long itll take a tribe to figure this out ,
Just wait for it , sea ,water , air oh now credits , another gift that keeps on giving.

[rainman]

I'm saying that the wrong type of people are breeding ...
The lower socio economic people are breeding like rabbits...

Socialism always bites you on the arse.

What political system a) does not "bite you on the arse" whatever that means, and b) stops the "wrong type/lower socio economic people" from breeding? No, it's a serious question. Bonus points for explaining your views of free will as it applies across different economic classes.

I'm a bit confused. What debate are you talking about. You have basically said that anyone who does not agree with your view point is a 'denier'.

If that's the impression I've created, my apologies.

I am not a climate scientist, and doubt anyone here is either. There is always some doubt around the immediate future, and climate prediction is, for obvious reasons, a difficult task. So, like most people, I depend on expert/credible/balanced sources, real empirical events where possible, information about who's funding the research, and a fairly well tuned bullshit detector to determine whether the science is vaguely plausible or not, and in turn whether I need to do anything about it or not. I doubt that I could summarise the full extent of what I've read into a nice easy five line proof, and in fact will say that no such simple proof exists. (Just like there isn't a simple disproof). I will however offer the following fairly scientifically based repositories of information for your review. (And yes, there are contrary sources which I have an open mind towards, and I will watch Mr Finn's videos later, to see if they contain anything I have not seen refuted already).

But in summary, recent events tend to point to some odd shit going on, so I think it's a reasonable position to say that we should plan to mitigate the risk sooner than later. What makes you think it's all bullshit? Isn't that a harder position to defend?

We should not unthinkingly extrapolate our own social dynamics to other societies.

What he said.

Don't feed me the bs that trees eat the carbonz flying around in the air.

Um, perhaps you could read this.... It's been understood for quite a while now.

Mankind will eventually die out no matter what anyone does...

So why do you get up in the morning? Why keep living? And, if you don't mind a personal question, do you have kids?

[rainman]

None of the aforementioned have altered the world one iota and neither will you.

So why do you get out of bed in the morning then?

You obviously do not have the courage of your convictions to stick to an ideal.

Or maybe my ideals don't neatly align with the national political parties (which change, anyway - look at the case of National, or Labour for that matter), and I pay more attention to local candidates and other tactical voting considerations.

I would love to debate (verbally of course) this with you in person in the public bar of any hotel you wish to nominate, so long I would imagine as they serve vodka.

Solidarity comrade

Sounds like a plan. Except for the vodka.

[klingon]

...I am the biggest hippie tree-hugger on this site, and I'll duel tofu recipes with anyone who challenges me.

Challenge accepted. I bet I'm more of a hippie tree-hugger than you!

...At the end of this year I am considering going to work on an organic farm for a year and seeing how low-impact I can live. Having a hot girlfriend who is also very interested in that helps.

Well I only date boys who vote Green.

Watch this series knuckle head. Here's the first one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqZMTY4V7Ts