Are there any tree huggers out there?

[Balding Eagle]

I see that Air NZ is allowing you to ease your conscience by paying for carbon credits against your air fare.

Are there any riders in the Biking community that would be prepared to pay more for their petrol to similarly ease their conscience?

Personally I think it is absolute crap and it is amazing that the world is being steered by the politically unusual - not unlike what Hitler managed to do in Germany all those years ago. Don't try and convince me with facts; just tell me a good story.

While I agree that we shouldn't be wasteful and I am a bit of a conservationist myself (solar heating etc.), the hand wringing and finger pointing by the extreme socialists (otherwise called the Greens) is amazing.

Would I pay for carbon credits? Not f***ing likely.

Whatcha reckon?

[Gubb]

I'm not likely to either, but what's the harm in offering it to people that want to?

[EL fatso]

Its probably just a trial to see what kind of interest there is. I get the feeling that carbon credit/tax is going to become mandatory soon anyway, so Air NZ is just dipping their toes into the water to get a feel for how it will affect their passenger numbers (or something like that).

[Grub]

Actually, I'm expecting to receive carbon credits for not using a car.

[Tank]

Speaking as someone with a carbon footprint the size of Australia - who cares.

Im not paying more when there are 40 trillion (there about) Chinese burning coal at a rate faster than skidmark or katman gaining red reps.

We have to address the bigger issues first!

But Air New Zealand being the thieving bastards they are will probably keep 40% of the carbon fee as an admin fee. Anything to help the shareholder (and CEO bonus)

[mowgli]

The Green Party is scary.

Edit: Who f@#king voted for MMP? I sure as hell didn't

[Motu]

Edit: Who f@#king voted for MMP?

The voting public - but it was engineered behind the scenes by politicians through the media.

[MaxB]

The whole idea of carbon credits is flawed from the start, blunt instrument and all that. Air NZ don't do anything unless there are dollars in it. If they want to reduce their footprint try renewing their aging 737 fleet for a start.

[rainman]

Would I pay for carbon credits? Not f***ing likely.

OK, I'll bite. (Much though I expect this thread will devolve into the usual bullshit slinging match... I must be bored).

So are you:
a) in denial and don't believe in science you find personally inconvenient, or
b) sufficiently amoral so as not care about destroying my children's future (to pick on only one very very tiny aspect of the potential trouble ahead), or
c) presenting the "but all the other kids do it too, mom, and they're worse then me" defense - which didn't work when I was a kid, either, or
d) a troll from a well known right wing party trotting out anti-Green poison PR lines...?

Did I miss any?

I haven't even looked at the Air NZ announcement today, so can't comment on it. But I'd be delighted to hear your alternative solutions for saving the planet.

[Steam]

... not unlike what Hitler managed to do in Germany all those years ago. ...

Have you ever heard of Godwin's law? Look it up, and use not Hitler's name in vain again.



I am the biggest hippie tree-hugger on this site, and I'll duel tofu recipes with anyone who challenges me.
But you are right, the Air NZ thing is just a big marketing exercise, all the analysts agree it won't help.
Paying to offset carbon dioxide emissions can be done but Air NZ aren't even attempting to do it. You'll just end up paying for their PR.

If I could buy carbon neutral petrol I would do it.
I eat GE-fee vegetarian, locally grown and organic where I can.
But I'm the extreme case on this site, and indeed in society.
At the end of this year I am considering going to work on an organic farm for a year and seeing how low-impact I can live. Having a hot girlfriend who is also very interested in that helps.

[Headbanger]

Many years ago I destroyed 200 acres of Aussie forest with a 20T excavator, then burnt it all in huge fires.

It was freaking awesome, as far as the eye could see....Rolling hills covered in destroyed vegetation, and huge roaring fires with 40 foot flames pumping plumes of black smoke into the air.

Knocking over the trees was also a hard case, Every so often a koala would come tumbling down from high above and do a little bounce a couple of feet in front of my tracks.

So in answer to the initial question, No, I'm no tree bugger, But I enjoy a good fire.

[Steam]

Oh man, remember to tell that to your grandkids when you are old, they'll love you for it.

[Headbanger]

Oh man, remember to tell that to your grandkids when you are old, they'll love you for it.

Sure will.

And I'll take the issue at hand seriously when they ground the 20 million air planes currently flying around the globe.

I'm all for a society that ships by ship, and travels by train and motorcycles.

[mstriumph]

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We have to address the bigger issues first!...........

you mean those massive 4 wheel drive thingies??

[rainman]

But I'm the extreme case on this site, and indeed in society.

More's the pity. The world needs many, many more eco-nutbars!

And I'll take the issue at hand seriously when they ground the 20 million air planes currently flying around the globe.

Ah, so that's an option c) then? You seem to recognise the problem, at least to some extent "I'm all for a society that ships by ship, and travels by train and motorcycles". So how, do you think, is actively participating in the continuation and extension of the problem going to solve it?

You know, sometimes you just have to do what's right irrespective of what those around you are doing.