250s' value decrease

**Dodger** · 2nd April 2008, 21:35

Originally Posted by disenfranchised

That's gonna be a tricky one...low K's and some warranty time left would probably still sell alright...you'd get the people who want a new bike for those reasons but can't quite afford completely brand new.

Doesn't really matter, as I have no plans to sell it.
Even once I get around to buying a larger bike (and no rush there) I'm going to keep the Hyosung.

**Squiggles** · 2nd April 2008, 21:39

Originally Posted by NOMIS

meh..

i don't no matter what you tell people they wont believe it, im not saying it goes off the clock easy and to be honest if there was a slight headwind it probally wouldn't.

I would pay your $90 entry to an open day at puke if it did an accurate 200 down the back straight.

Nah, a vfr would be over the threshold, as would zxr400's etc

Old man's CX would be under though id say (thing has less guts than the mrs' zzr at the moment, could be mistaken for a 2 smoker its burning oil so bad!

What will happen to the learners who own 2 smokers at the moment? Will they say "From this date XXXX will apply", allowing those who just bought them to hold on to them till they have their full?

**NOMIS** · 3rd April 2008, 07:45

Originally Posted by MidnightMike

Has she heard it at 12,000+ Rpm yet?

Youre gonna make a killing off that, make some room in your bank account.

*takes a breath*

Ive ridden a hornet before, they accelerate reasonably quickly, but well past 180? Pull off an sti at 200k? Was that with a tow rope attached to a lamborghini?

My stomach hurts from laughing so much.

If you read properly it was my friend in a sti. He wasnt racing me he would of been about 3km ahead if he did his car cut at 200 all i said was after about 3km of pinning it i finally got there! learn to read.

**NOMIS** · 3rd April 2008, 07:52

Originally Posted by Squiggles

I would pay your $90 entry to an open day at puke if it did an accurate 200 down the back straight.

Nah, a vfr would be over the threshold, as would zxr400's etc

Old man's CX would be under though id say (thing has less guts than the mrs' zzr at the moment, could be mistaken for a 2 smoker its burning oil so bad!

What will happen to the learners who own 2 smokers at the moment? Will they say "From this date XXXX will apply", allowing those who just bought them to hold on to them till they have their full?

Do you guys not read ive already said it took alot of m.way not the back straight. id be lucky to hit 150 down there. if you read all posts by me in this thread you wil see ive said
1, My bike isnt fast
2, i have had it off the clock once! and I thought every 250 could when i done it.
3, It took a heeeeeelllllll of a long time to get there ( i cant stress this point enought )
I didnt buy my bike because i thought it was fast nor did i get it to race people I got it on a whim of likeing how it looked and riding my friends.
Nor am i trying to make it out to be fast.
I like it and I like most bike, vtr's cbr's ninja's even hyosungs because they look cool.

Any way im out.

**Ixion** · 3rd April 2008, 09:19

Originally Posted by Squiggles

I would pay your $90 entry to an open day at puke if it did an accurate 200 down the back straight.

Nah, a vfr would be over the threshold, as would zxr400's etc

Old man's CX would be under though id say (thing has less guts than the mrs' zzr at the moment, could be mistaken for a 2 smoker its burning oil so bad!

What will happen to the learners who own 2 smokers at the moment? Will they say "From this date XXXX will apply", allowing those who just bought them to hold on to them till they have their full?

If they follow the Tasmanian example , which is probable, people who already hold a L or R licence when the new rules are signed off will be allowed to use their existing (legal) bike for the minimum time that they would need to get their full.

**stanko** · 3rd April 2008, 09:34

Originally Posted by EJKDDORAI

FXR will then have no value

FXR will always be valuable as they are awesome bucket racers

**PJ_tpl** · 3rd April 2008, 09:34

Guys, guys guys... sigh

Simon did a run from Westgate to Lincoln against my 328i that does well over 200. I hit 180 well before the top off the hill then eased off to let simon catch me and was beside him at the 180 mark before slowing down to get off at lincoln road.

Im pretty sure if he carried on he could of squeezed out a little more. He knows he cant possiby beat my car on the open road nor does he try.. Its a noise machine!! not a speed machine, gives me a huge fright when he pulls beside me and gives it a kick down.

Anyway we did this run just to see if his bike could get off the clock. And it did. I was in my car right next to him and i was reading just below 190 before he started to slow down. It took that entire stretch of motorway to get there but it did.

Bottom line is, no matter what you all say, its not your bike, nor do you know what it is capable of. Its no standard hornet, its got better plugs, leads, exhaust, filter and a retune. It revs faster and higher so im pretty sure its much quicker than a stock 250 hornet, and yes ive ridden a stock hornet and then his hornet so i can compare.

Pfft.. lame

**Radar** · 3rd April 2008, 09:51

Originally Posted by peterpan

when is this law change meant to come into play?

The end of this year would be the earliest but remember public submissions have to be considered and then the fine details of the law have to be written and approved - and there are many things, not just the engine power/weight. Remember that the bike changes are part of a plan with "2010" in the title.

So lets say the law is actually written and approved to be passed by the end of this year - do you think those with 250's that are not on the approved list will be forced to dump them? Doubt it. The law may be passed but will not take effect until later, probably next year or yes, 2010. Or some of the law may be put into place very soon, such as requiring headlights to be on at all times but again there must be adequate time for the public to be aware of the law change and this means months, not days or weeks.

Changing the restricted from 6 to 12 months (for over 25's) may be put into place immediately since its easy to do.

Getting a motorcycle skills course (or whatever is supposed to replace the current Defensive Driving Course) into place will probably take a year or so.

The only thing that the government is quick about changing the law is when MP's vote to increase their salaries - and this is done on the last day they are in session in December, just before Xmas holidays when the public is distracted. Other law changes take ages.

**James Deuce** · 3rd April 2008, 09:54

Originally Posted by Radar

remember public submissions have to be considered

Bahahahahahahahahaha

Can I move to your planet?

**Radar** · 3rd April 2008, 09:57

Originally Posted by Jim2

Bahahahahahahahahaha

Can I move to your planet?

OK, let me rephrase it: Public submissions have to be heard.

**disenfranchised** · 3rd April 2008, 20:26

Originally Posted by Radar

So lets say the law is actually written and approved to be passed by the end of this year - do you think those with 250's that are not on the approved list will be forced to dump them? Doubt it.

Of course they can't force them to dump their bikes...just make them not legal to ride.

I reckon they'd be aiming to make the list as firm as possible..no arguments etc....How else could they police it effectively.

If they hear the submissions, make a plan, and announce it, with a 6-12 month period before it becomes law, then they can just say that it's adequate time for most learners with 250 strokes to achieve their full anyway.

I've also seen on the Korider forum, the Aussies talking about how strict the dealers are with de-restricting those 650 learner legal Hyosungs.
Apparently doing so removes the LAMS status from it's registration, and once removed, can't be reset back for sale to a learner.

**Radar** · 4th April 2008, 06:20

Originally Posted by disenfranchised

If they hear the submissions, make a plan, and announce it, with a 6-12 month period before it becomes law, then they can just say that it's adequate time for most learners with 250 strokes to achieve their full anyway.

Thats how I see it: submissions, plan, announce (probably in December or early 2009), then 6-12 months to set in place.

I'm on Korider but have not been there for awhile - thanks for the update.

I wondered how the 650 Hyo - a powerful bike - managed to get on the approved list and now I understand it is derestricted. Is this a carb adjustment and can most all bikes get this restriction? It seems to me that many without a full would derestrict their bikes and for this reason I don't know why NSW would have allowed it unless the Hyo dealers applied political-legal pressure.

**James Deuce** · 4th April 2008, 06:25

Originally Posted by Radar

Thats how I see it: submissions, plan, announce (probably in December or early 2009), then 6-12 months to set in place.

I'm on Korider but have not been there for awhile - thanks for the update.

I wondered how the 650 Hyo - a powerful bike - managed to get on the approved list and now I understand it is derestricted. Is this a carb adjustment and can most all bikes get this restriction? It seems to me that many without a full would derestrict their bikes and for this reason I don't know why NSW would have allowed it unless the Hyo dealers applied political-legal pressure.

The throttle slides aren't allowed to open fully. In NSW only a dealer is allowed to remove the restrictor and only with proof that the owner has a full license. Anyone on a learners caught riding a derestricted one gets a hefty fine. The Hyo's restricted or unrestricted status is tied to the bike's registration. It is more complex to type it out than for a Policeperson to check it.

**James Deuce** · 4th April 2008, 06:29

Originally Posted by PJ_tpl

Bottom line is, no matter what you all say, its not your bike, nor do you know what it is capable of. Its no standard hornet, its got better plugs, leads, exhaust, filter and a retune. It revs faster and higher so im pretty sure its much quicker than a stock 250 hornet, and yes ive ridden a stock hornet and then his hornet so i can compare.

Pfft.. lame

Ooo better plug leads! Maybe I can do 350 km/hr on my 750 is I get some.

I've seen 800 km/hr on the speedo of a GSXR1000. It's true!

**Radar** · 4th April 2008, 07:04

Originally Posted by Jim2

The throttle slides aren't allowed to open fully. In NSW only a dealer is allowed to remove the restrictor and only with proof that the owner has a full license. Anyone on a learners caught riding a derestricted one gets a hefty fine. The Hyo's restricted or unrestricted status is tied to the bike's registration. It is more complex to type it out than for a Policeperson to check it.

I am not sure what you mean by "more complex" but if it is possible for a DIY opening of the throttle slide, I am sure it will be done. How could the police know that the throttle has been derestricted (DIY, not by a dealer)?