250s' value decrease

**h20boy** · 26th July 2008, 19:30

MAybe I'm just foolish but I'm on my learners now and really...whats wrong with the way things are working now?

OK some of the older 2-strokes with a few kays on them and that have been thrashed for the last two decades are overpriced...if you don't want to pay go and buy a gn250 for 3K or buy new.

All 250's can do 100km/h or more so what difference does it make to further complicate and restrict vehicle choice for new riders with a daft power-to-weight ratio requirement?

Its a typically kiwi approach to change something that has been working perfectly well for something intended to further increase bureaucracy and confuse motorists...Go the Labour government!

**Monsterbishi** · 27th July 2008, 10:12

Originally Posted by h20boy

MAybe I'm just foolish but I'm on my learners now and really...whats wrong with the way things are working now?

OK some of the older 2-strokes with a few kays on them and that have been thrashed for the last two decades are overpriced...if you don't want to pay go and buy a gn250 for 3K or buy new.

All 250's can do 100km/h or more so what difference does it make to further complicate and restrict vehicle choice for new riders with a daft power-to-weight ratio requirement?

Its a typically kiwi approach to change something that has been working perfectly well for something intended to further increase bureaucracy and confuse motorists...Go the Labour government!

Well, for starters, most 250's are small, so for taller and larger riders - they're gaylord.

Next, the current laws have overinflated 250cc prices, new law will sort that too.

Also, when you have the likes of the MC19, MC21 - etc, 4 stroke screamers that will tap their 180kph limiters with ease bone stock - the current law is a joke.

It's a cakewalk to enforce, you have a list of bikes that are acceptable, not that hard huh.

**CookMySock** · 27th July 2008, 11:05

Originally Posted by h20boy

All 250's can do 100km/h or more so what difference does it make to further complicate and restrict vehicle choice for new riders with a daft power-to-weight ratio requirement?

because, for learners even the most basic 600's blast off at a seemingly outrageous rate if you give them more than half throttle. Being on a 250 just keeps your reality in order whether you like it or not - a wise state of affairs for a learner.

Originally Posted by Monsterbishi

Next, the current laws have overinflated 250cc prices, new law will sort that too.

I wonder if that will be so. 250's are *good* learner bikes. Looking at the list, much of the larger cc bikes are dirt bikes or vintage bikes - not really what modern learners really want to ride.

So maybe we worry too much about the demise of the 250.

DB

**h20boy** · 27th July 2008, 14:53

Are there any sites with the facts on these changes yet?

**CookMySock** · 27th July 2008, 15:40

Originally Posted by h20boy

Are there any sites with the facts on these changes yet?

there are - search here and on google and you will find them. But it does not matter what the facts are, as LTSA will grant you an exemption from the GDLS to do almost anything anyway, particularly if you are inside the hp/tonne limitation. So just do what you like and apply for the exemption - as long as its not completely silly they will allow it.

DB

**Coyote** · 27th July 2008, 16:02

The Hyosung and Ninja 250R were supposed to make the 250 market more competitive. Instead the price has remained high.

I'm cynical. I can't see the proposed law change doing much more than raising the cost of a few more bikes and people buying learner illegal bikes under the impression that they were legal.

I love how people say "markets" instead of "the people in charge saw they could make more money off people so raised the price"? It's a great euphemism.

**racefactory** · 27th July 2008, 20:53

so any idea when it might come into effect?

**CookMySock** · 27th July 2008, 21:21

Originally Posted by Coyote

The Hyosung and Ninja 250R were supposed to make the 250 market more competitive. Instead the price has remained high.

I think the "learner bike" market has gone ahead in leaps and bounds the last few years, and this has made them stick to their price. With any luck, this will persuade more manufacturers to enter the learner market anyway, maybe with a larger cc bike. Does anyone see any changes in the ozzy market with the new rules ?

Originally Posted by trademe900

so any idea when it might come into effect?

I dont think anyone really knows. With all these government mini-dramas in the media lately, I think it might get shelved temporarily.

DB

**firefighter** · 28th July 2008, 10:06

Originally Posted by Monsterbishi

Well, for starters, most 250's are small, so for taller and larger riders - they're gaylord.
Also, when you have the likes of the MC19, MC21 - etc, 4 stroke screamers that will tap their 180kph limiters with ease bone stock - the current law is a joke.

totally agree with the taller and larger 250 riders comment.
But have you seen the cars kids learn to drive in these days?!!! (or more importantly been in one) a lot of those will also do the same speed, overall speed is a non-issue really, people will speed no-matter what you put them on, it's the power that's the problem!

**Coyote** · 28th July 2008, 18:59

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

I think the "learner bike" market has gone ahead in leaps and bounds the last few years, and this has made them stick to their price.

I think they've made leaps and bounds in the wrong direction as usual:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-145014816.htm

**R6_kid:Me** · 28th July 2008, 19:02

Originally Posted by Coyote

The Hyosung and Ninja 250R were supposed to make the 250 market more competitive. Instead the price has remained high.

The ninja 250R is still more expensive in England than it is here. And they dont really have a market for the 250's.

**Coyote** · 28th July 2008, 19:06

Originally Posted by R6_kid

The ninja 250R is still more expensive in England than it is here. And they dont really have a market for the 250's.

Well that's good. But I still don't see the old 250's coming down to prices that were seen 3 years ago at least. The market is stubborn and still keeping the price up.

I want a CBR250 streetstock bike!

**The Stranger:Me** · 28th July 2008, 19:26

Originally Posted by h20boy

MAybe I'm just foolish but I'm on my learners now and really...whats wrong with the way things are working now?

Lack of choice for one.
The age of the fleet giving rise to inexperienced riders winding up on some pretty decrepit shit for another.

OK some of the older 2-strokes with a few kays on them and that have been thrashed for the last two decades are overpriced...if you don't want to pay go and buy a gn250 for 3K or buy new.

A GN, what more could anyone want?

All 250's can do 100km/h or more so what difference does it make to further complicate and restrict vehicle choice for new riders with a daft power-to-weight ratio requirement?

How will things be more restrictive or complicated? All 250cc 4 strokes are proposed to be included in the approved list already, but you can also choose other machines should you desire. This increases choice, doesn't restrict it.

Its a typically kiwi approach to Sound off half cocked?

Yeah yeah 10 char.