250s' value decrease

[vtec]

I haven't logged in for a while as I'm having a break from motorcycling but I couldn't help but notice poofterjocks and numbnuts rambling on about some stupid gay honda with a microscopic motor being the fastest thing in the world.

I just had to add lol - beause that was me 1 day when I upgraded from 50cc to 250cc. You get used to 250cc and it doesn't feel all that fast anymore, and, if you were riding with other bikes instead of cars you'd realise alot sooner that 250cc's are piss slow...

Check out these race results:
http://www.silver-bullet.co.nz/event...d=5510&cid=117
Look down the line of bike types. There's a CBR250 slotted in that F3 field. Now tell me how crap they are.

Bike was stock standard, was my commuter, still had the indicators on cause I couldn't get the screws undone. Running Dunlop GPR's. Only 1 400 beat me.

First race only came 10th, because Dave Rogers the muppet ran me off the track by accident (outbroke himself)because he was determined not to get beaten by a 250 on his 650.

[Monsterbishi]

Look down the line of bike types. There's a CBR250 slotted in that F3 field. Now tell me how crap they are.

Bike was stock standard, was my commuter, still had the indicators on cause I couldn't get the screws undone.

So you're saying it's so good that you could swap bikes with the first person you passed and the cbr would still post the same lap times?

cibbys are great bikes, I had one for 7 years, but calling it fast in this age of wrx's & evos is just wrong.

[vtec]

Yes 5 seconds 0-100 is fast. It's all those evo's and STI's will do without major modifications. And 0-60 the bike is a lot quicker than most evo's and STI's.

[Monsterbishi]

Yes 5 seconds 0-100 is fast. It's all those evo's and STI's will do without major modifications. And 0-60 the bike is a lot quicker than most evo's and STI's.

The word bollocks spring to mind.

Give me half a day, and about $200 and I'll have a Evo 1 running high 12's down the 1/4 mile, doing o-100kph in under 4 seconds, trapping 105+mph.

Have you ever been to a dragstrip before?

Stop talking crap and post up some of your timeslip info, me first:

'89 Galant VR4, rear muffler unbolted, K&N filter, 17psi:
1.894 60'
8.835 660'
13.935@94.35mph

'94 4 door Mirage(Lancer bodyshell with mirage panels), evo engine/turbo/etc, 4wd conversion, 19psi, 240kw atw:
1.721 60'
7.939 660'
12.376@112.21mph
fyi - my Mirage in full trim weighed exactly the same as a stripped out evo(1125kg)

[vtec]

CBR250RR - On a wet day, with mud and crap on the track 14.1 @ 90mph. We are well aware that over 100kph, they are slow. But up to 100 they are fast. 5.0 seconds with a good rider is totally attainable. When launching in the F3 fields, I usually jump up the grid by several positions to the first corner. I haven't spoken any crap. Good for you. We are all well aware that cranking up the boost will make these cars a lot faster, but your average STI and Evo out there will be lucky to be a mid 13, and seriously up to 100kph, a cbr250rr will be quicker to 100 than 60-75% of Evo's and STI's, up to 60kph, it will waste most of them. When getting the launch right, the CBR will lift the front wheel to the top of first.

I'm back in NZ in December, send me a PM and we'll do a few light sprints to the speed limit, then you can tell me I'm talking bull.

edit: Dammit, just noticed your in chch.

Evo 1 with $200 under 4 seconds to 100??? I can't discount that, I don't know what the stock turbos can tolerate, and good luck with your gearbox and clutch, and turbos and driveshaft and conrods and valves and headgasket.

Your galant with 17psi will be quicker than most evo's and sti's out there. I had a modified evo4 about 3 years ago, and I raced a modified early 90's Galant VR4 and we were neck a neck. But my evo was only running 12psi, which i'd say is all 90% of them are running. I was actually quite disappointed by the performance of my evo 4. My prelude was nearly as much fun and in some circumstances handled better.

Here's another thing. My second time on pukekohe on a CBR250RR I did 1.15.1. It was my second time on a race track ever. My brother in his 450hp Mitsi GTO with shitloads of mods, 19" volkl racing mags and large intercooler 3" exhaust. Racing engine internals, 6 speed gearbox managed 1.16. And his best friend in a well modified RX7 only managed 1.17's. Those cars were capable of well over 200kph on that circuit. The CBR was maxing out about 190kph.

Also, if you are hanging out with drag racers, you are only going to see the evo's and sti's that have boost cranked up. The other thing is you'd be lucky to get 100,000k's out of these cars after you've increased the boost. And your fuel consumption will be about 5k/l as opposed to the 20k/l you get on a CBR. Not to mention all the other running costs and initial purchase price.

On my CBR600 race bike I only got down to 1.03 on pukekohe. But hey, that only cost me 9grand and would've been capable of 10seconds down the quarter.

[Ixion]

Dude, it's just a cage. Who cares how fast a cage goes. Boeings go 1000kph or something like, still just a cage (aerial variety).

[coop]

The word bollocks spring to mind.

Give me half a day, and about $200 and I'll have a Evo 1 running high 12's down the 1/4 mile, doing o-100kph in under 4 seconds, trapping 105+mph.

Haha, dream on mate.

You forget to mention just how these jappa shitboxes will struggle to consistently pull these times, especially when the clutch gives in after the fifth go.

[Jeaves]

*WARNING* wankfactor overload

[Monsterbishi]

Haha, dream on mate.

You forget to mention just how these jappa shitboxes will struggle to consistently pull these times, especially when the clutch gives in after the fifth go.

Actually, never found the clutch to be the problem with evo's, the vr4's were chronic for burning up the clutch because of the extra pork they carried.

$200 gofast recipe:
$80 - 3" mandrel bent exhaust tubing from autobend
$30 - Parts to make a simple boost controller from FESTO pneumatics
Leaves $90 to cover a few little things like rewiring the fuel pump for full power and whipping up a decent intake pipe.

The early evo's 510cc injectors are good for 20psi without going to maximum duty cycle, and the small 16g is well within it's happy zone as far as flow goes.

vtec - what was your 60' and half track numbers when you did 14.1@90mph?

[vtec]

I wish I knew. Was just at a Honda vs Toyota drag day, they only gave you full quarter time and trapspeed.

I raced against the car that was fastest there. I was ahead of him to the 60 foot marker, and not too far behind by half track, but by the end of the strip he was miles ahead. He was doing low 12's in a Lotus Elise with a 2.0litre Honda engine in it.

I used to slip that clutch at 15,000rpm, I used to do it every day, and it took it like a champ. Amazing stuff. That's not to say you can't wreck their clutches. Kicking Zebra (Johnno) wrecked someone elses trying to pull wheely's on it.

And Jeaves, I'll wank as much as I want. It's a basic human right.

[Irontusk]

I've thought about the 250cc values, and I thought the value of the bike I'm buying is going to drop.. but then I woke up the next day and realised that it's more likely that the 400cc+ bikes will go up to where they should be, they're the same price as 250s now cause hardly anyone will ride them.
As for learning to ride.. I don't think I want to go bigger than 250, maybe I'll change my mind but at this point 250 should be enough, I'm light anyway so it doesn't have alot to carry around.

[The Pastor]

Check out these race results:
http://www.silver-bullet.co.nz/event...d=5510&cid=117
Look down the line of bike types. There's a CBR250 slotted in that F3 field. Now tell me how crap they are.

Bike was stock standard, was my commuter, still had the indicators on cause I couldn't get the screws undone. Running Dunlop GPR's. Only 1 400 beat me.

First race only came 10th, because Dave Rogers the muppet ran me off the track by accident (outbroke himself)because he was determined not to get beaten by a 250 on his 650.

hey vtec, the f3 race class, are there any rules on modifications you can do to your bike?