CHEAP radar dectectors

[Lou Girardin]

Cheap is, as cheap does. Ryan, (online trading) does Escorts and Bels for $500. Stretch to one of those, mine has saved me hundreds of dollars over the years. Warnings before the cop is in sight, are not to be sneezed at. Battery powered units are crap.
Lou

[Lou Girardin]

How legal are detectors? Jammers are illegal right?

Laser jammers are not, repeat NOT, illegal. They transmit light not an RF signal.
Lou

[Warr]

Nope, the existing bracket didnt take much alteration and I've put it in the centre now. It slighly obscures the speedo at 200 km/hr plus sitting in an upright position but I figure you might be crouching down a bit by then

I used some self-adhesive foam between the clamp and the screen to protect it.

Cheers

Geoff

So Geoff I see u have a headphone plug or does it go to something else ??

[dangerous]

Laser jammers are not, repeat NOT, illegal. They transmit light not an RF signal.
Lou

As far as I know they 'are' illegal..... the reason, they stop the copper from doing there job, but this has to be proved and that cant be done as if the cop never got your speed then how does he know you were speeding.... if he got your speed then you dident obstruct him from his job, if he could prove it then you can be nicked for obstruction....... but it just cant be done.

It is 'not' illegal to own, buy, sell, it is illagle to obstruct however, were as detectors do not obstruct they just warn.... hopefully in time.

[onearmedbandit]

I have a valentine 1 on my bike, and its saved me a sure couple of tickets. However I don't rely on it, and tend to keep my speed in check now having just come off a 6 month ban (167km in a 100 - no traffic, straight stretch of highway, excellent visibility. The judge went easy on me and gave me the minimum he could).

Anyway, while I have had no experience with jammers, we got into a debate over radar detectors on another bike forum, with someone bringing up jammers as a better option. Well the following is copy and paste of just one of the responses.

Sorry if this seems overly done, but I've spent a little time looking into those and have developed a well researched and carefully considered opinion:


THEY ARE CRAP, and the people who sell them are RIPPING YOU OFF!!!!

Here's a test:
http://www.RADARbusters.com/support/product-tests/6.asp


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"Well the bottom line is that during our testing of these units we have NEVER found one unit to work"


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Another test:

http://65.105.242.80/data/columns/RA...Fpart%5F1.html



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The owner of Rocky Mountain RADAR -- Mike Churchman -- was invited to supervise the tests. He declined. Police were set up at one end of the strip while each car was driven toward RADAR. There were observers in the cars and watching police. Each car accelerated to a high rate of speed (different in each case) and held it. That speed was compared to the reading on the police RADAR unit. In every case police RADAR accurately locked in the speeds. Not once did the RADAR jammer make a difference!


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Part 2:

http://65.105.242.80/data/columns/th...Fpart%5F2.html



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I told you in this column a couple weeks ago I was going to test police RADAR JAMMERS. The testing is now over and I can tell you without a doubt -- the JAMMERS did not work at all! They did not jam RADAR, confuse RADAR, block RADAR, scramble RADAR, nor did they render a car invisible to RADAR. The same goes with police lasers: the JAMMERS had no affect.

The results should make you angry because a Colorado company -- Rocky Mountain RADAR -- is ripping off consumers for millions of dollars and no one is doing anything about it. Instead the company is praised. A few years ago the Denver Chamber of Commerce honored owner Mike Churchman for creating one of the fastest growing businesses. Imagine honoring a company for selling a product that doesn't even work?


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Yet another: http://www.laseRADAR.com/laser_wars.htm

Rocky Mountain RADAR "Phaser" - Score: 0/0
Rocky Mountain RADAR "Phantom" - Score 0/0


More:
http://www.RADAR.co.nz/usa/usarticle4.html



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Whether it be a Phantom, Phazer, TeleRADAR, Spirit, Mirage, they all have one thing in common, they don't seem to jam RADAR


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More yet: http://www.RADAR.co.nz/driver.html



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In every case the Phantom failed to jam, or scramble, the RADAR and it also failed to make the driver or the car he was in, "invisible" as some Phantom advertising says it will.

The police tests also concluded that the Phantom has minimal ability to detect RADAR.


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If you haven't given up yet: http://www.RADARtest.com/JOS.html



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Except for the Phantom, which contains rudimentary RADAR-detection circuitry, each is essentially an empty box with a 12-volt power cord, a cheap cast-plastic waveguide assembly, one or two front-mounted LEDs, a basic power-supply circuit and a button or two. Press the button and an LED lights up, accompanied by a tinny bird whistle. ("Our patented 'FM Chirp', " company salesmen proudly proclaim.) We've tested these products a dozen times against every front-line police RADAR gun and laser, finding all of them utterly worthless.


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JAMMERS ARE CRAP

They have always been CRAP

They will always BE CRAP


Anything you could build that's powerful enough to actually Jam RADAR, would get you into a LOT more trouble with the FCC (federal charges and almost guaranteed JAIL time). Not to mention "Interfering with an Officer in the performance of his duties." A MUCH more serious charge than speeding.


How about nice set of fork springs, instead?

[dangerous]

There has only been one laser jammer that has been proven to work in NZ the 'Blinder' and this is why the price tag is well over the top at just under a grand.

[Blackbird]

... but aren't jammers purely for laser jamming? And how many of those do you see on the open road?

Incidentall, Bel make a jammer (or used to) which seems to be very popular among UK bikers. I presume it would work here just fine too.

[AMPS]

... but aren't jammers purely for laser jamming? And how many of those do you see on the open road?

Incidentall, Bel make a jammer (or used to) which seems to be very popular among UK bikers. I presume it would work here just fine too.

I've seen Laser being used on the open road but close to cities, Whangarei and Auckland. Laser jammers do work, radar jammers do not on Ka band. A detector and jammer in combination are what the 'sophisticated' speeders use.
Lou

[Blakamin]

My radar detector has paid for itself - the added warnign if the radar is running is invaluable, and they can ping you before you see them or have a chance to slow down.
OTOH, if you are doing 120+, there isn't much that will save you. If you are going to go warp speed, it will cost, sooner or later. Most traffic cruices on the open road at 115-120 ish - so there is $120-200 and 35 points you can save, plus the potential of increased insurance premiums or a declined claim.
Geoff

My reason exactly.... I dont regularly speed on the highway, but have noticed a few times I'd be doing 115 on the highway or 65 up my street and dont want to get done for it... especially up my street where boy-racers run and cops use radar a hell of a lot... the one in the van or the bosses car goes off at the end of my street and the cop will be a K away, over a hill.....and considering my street is downhill to my house, I do 60 down here alot and I dont feel like testing the 10k discretion thing!
the van one also picked a camera van from around a bend on the double lanes at WhenuTapu on saturday... might have been doing 120 to pass the car in front if I didnt get the warning!!!
I think it pays for itself

[dangerous]

... but aren't jammers purely for laser jamming? And how many of those do you see on the open road?

You can get 'Laser' jammers (light) and 'radar' jammers (radio) ....... 'radar' as said above dosent work very well at all, but 'Laser' jammers do work and I have seen Laser guns being used in the middle of know were in the middle of nite.... been done at 10pm on the Kaikoura coast.... wish I had a jammer then.

[scumdog]

Ummm Scumdog, you missed my point when I wrote:

The best advice is - save your money and put it towards your next fine.

Remember, there are no free lunches out there.......

What I was saying is - if you are buying a detector, buy a good one.
OR, save your money for your next speeding tax, I mean fine.

BillW

Nope, didn't miss your point ( good one too) BUT by not buying a detector I have (a) saved the initial cost, (b) saved the cost of updating, (c) not had to worry if it is still working, (d) not had to worry about it being stolen and (e) not had to worry about transferring it from vehicle to vehicle (or buying extra devices).
Prior to my present job I treated speed limits as a general guideline, not to be taken too seriously (as per my 156kph ticket) but by driving in an alert (and crafty) manner I still only have that one ticket.
Now of course I ride/drive within the law, couldn't do anything else eh?