Speeding, ouch..................

[2_SL0]

My god is it not 110kmh. OMG, thats what I had wrong. Im glad I dont live in Yokai world. Because on the open road I will reg sit @ 110-115kmh. (in my cage) From what you have said I deserve to loose my licence. Oh and by the way I know exactly how many demerit points I have. It should be a big fat 0.
Yokai have you driven much on the open road in NZ? The average speed people are driving at on a nice day in light traffic is 110-120kmh. Im sorry If I dont see your point but I hazzard a guess that on a nice day in light traffic people driving at a orderly speed of 110-120kmh does not cause a accident, there has to be something else that triggers the accident, I.E the nutter doing the mad run overtaking, or the loony tune on the wrong side of the road on the corner.
Yes I also understand that @ 110kmh more damage is done to the person than @ 100kmh.

As a guess Mike L I imagine the guy who reg travels above 120kmh doesnt give a rats arse, because he Mr Industructable.
That was in 2002 so I would love to see if it has had a effect on the average speed on the open road. I would hazzard a guess that it wont of. But maybe Spud or Scumdog could enlighten us on that as it is more their area than mine :spudwave:

[Yokai]

Hmm... incarceration for recidivist chocolate bar thieves...

Some might say there are ways of dealing with such problems more appropriate to the gravity of the offence...

Yeah - you're right. Sorry - what that should read is:

It's like not punishing someone to the proper extent of the law for stealing Moro bars over a 2 year period when they've had continual cautions etc.

But hey - if it was MY moro bar - I'd have them Hung Drawn and Quartered... and boiled... chopped up into little bits and ... and ... jumped on! with boots until until until they couldn't take any more!

(thanks DNA)

[2_SL0]

Mental note, DONT TAKE YOKAI MORO BAR. (Crumbs what would he do if it was a MARS bar) :spudwave:

[MSTRS:Me]

It's a matter of perspective. There are people out there that shouldn't travel at 4kmh let alone 84 .... The speed limit is there for a reason - you (or I) choose to break it, then we deserve what the law says. *shrug*[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah.....time to fine those dorks or get them off the road. Is it possible to put a dollar figure on the havoc they cause? I mean, I only speed to get them behind me so I won't be introduced to their rear bumpr when they stop to let a hedgehog cross the road

[Yokai]

My god is it not 110kmh. OMG, thats what I had wrong. Im glad I dont live in Yokai world. Because on the open road I will reg sit @ 110-115kmh. (in my cage) From what you have said I deserve to loose my licence.

From what I said, it is only if you continually do it and have lots of demerits for the same thing.

Oh and by the way I know exactly how many demerit points I have. It should be a big fat 0.

Well make up your mind - do you know exactly or are you hazarding a guess at 0? I'm betting that you have 0. cool! I too have 0. snap! I like this game!

Yokai have you driven much on the open road in NZ?

Yup - I like driving. I like riding. especially like going to places on the Coromandel Peninsula... been here 2 years - love it.

The average speed people are driving at on a nice day in light traffic is 110-120kmh.

Your point seems to be "everyone else is doing it, why can't I?". My point is that this is breaking the law. I did admit to doing it myself - it's my choice... I know the penalties as well as most people (but probably not well enough :-) )

Im sorry If I dont see your point but I hazzard a guess that on a nice day in light traffic people driving at a orderly speed of 110-120kmh does not cause a accident, there has to be something else that triggers the accident, I.E the nutter doing the mad run overtaking, or the loony tune on the wrong side of the road on the corner.
Yes I also understand that @ 110kmh more damage is done to the person than @ 100kmh.

I wasn't saying anything about whether the driving was dangerous or caused accidents. What I was saying was this:

The law states 100kmh is the speed limit.
The law states that you get demerit points and a fine for exceeding the speed limit
There is a discretionary 10kmh allowed above the speed limit (I don't know if that is a law-based thing or a police/government based decision ... Spud? )
If someon is doing 110.000001kmh they should get points and fine.
If they continually exceed the 110kmh then they should continually get points and fine
If they accrue enough points they should lose their licence.
simple.
Got nothing to do with whether they are the safest driver in the world or a complete fscking hoon. Its a LEGAL thing.

As a guess Mike L I imagine the guy who reg travels above 120kmh doesnt give a rats arse, because he Mr Industructable.

Why should 120 be any worse than 119? or 119 worse than 118 etc...

That was in 2002 so I would love to see if it has had a effect on the average speed on the open road. I would hazzard a guess that it wont of. But maybe Spud or Scumdog could enlighten us on that as it is more their area than mine :spudwave:

Would be interesting. But now we are drawing inferences between speed and accidents, NOT a line drawn by law as to how fast we are legally allowed to ride/drive.

Oh - if you hadn't guessed by now, I do exceed the speed limit... on regular occasions... if I get nicked, then fine.... I pays my money and I takes my choice... I like my world - it's got people like you in it... they ride bikes, and I like that.

[2_SL0]

OK OK , you can have the damn Moro bar back, but Im keeping the Mars bar. (my precious)

Im glad you are able to see things so black and white. Im afraid in my world their are alot of different shades in between.
I think the 110kmh discretion thing is just a personal choice of the officer as I believe I saw somewhere you may recieve a ticket for being 1kmh over the limit, (in theory) I believe you gain 10 demerit points for 1-10kmh over. However I do feel speed + tickets + accidents is exactly what it is all about. If speed did not equal accidents then why would we have tickets, aaaaaa revenue collecting. Its become so clear, I see it is black and white.

[**R1**]

YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST DONE A RUNNER

yeah i do em all the time, not that i go out to do it but i love riding fast and hate tickets, so its the only option, the day they get cars that will catch my bike will be the day i stop riding

[Yokai]

OK OK , you can have the damn Moro bar back, but Im keeping the Mars bar. (my precious)

- Hey! this Moro's been shaken - it's more of a juddered bar .....

Sorry. ;-) I need a ride - my bike is STILL IN THE SHOP DAMMIT!

Lou? How long to get a slipping clutch fixed on a Yamaha SRV250?

[WINJA]

yeah i do em all the time, not that i go out to do it but i love riding fast and hate tickets, so its the only option, the day they get cars that will catch my bike will be the day i stop riding

WELL YOUR ON AN R1 , SO YOULL BE ALRIGHT FOR A WHILE AS LONG AS YOU CHOOSE YOUR BATTLES.GENERALLY I DONT SPEED WHERE COPS ARE , I GO DEAD SLOW ROUND THE CITY AND SCHOOLS, I DONT SPEED DOWN THE MOTORWAY, I ONLY SPEED IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE , AND THEN FARK DO I SPEED

[Teflon]

yeah i do em all the time, not that i go out to do it but i love riding fast and hate tickets, so its the only option, the day they get cars that will catch my bike will be the day i stop riding

We still have a disavantage, they have radios.

[Sniper]

We still have a disavantage, they have radios.

But we have an Advantage, we have brains. Except for spud, he has a brain too.

MATT DAMON

[spudchucka]

As is stated above it is clear the LOW end of the exceeding the speed limit has been targeted, I imagine it still is.

The goal is to reduce the national mean speed, thats why they actively target speeds between 111 - 120, because these are the amounts that most average drivers exceed the speed limit by. Getting these people, (the bulk of the NZ driving public) to slow down to under 110 is the primary motivation for todays speed enforcement policies.

There will always be the upper percentile that drive without any regard to road rules or other road users, no policies, demerit points or fines will change these peoples attitudes.

So if the 85% of resonable road users are behaving themselves,sticking to the speed limit and driving with courtesy towards other road users then it is reasonable to expect that this will have an impact on the national road toll.


Re Demerit Points:

As I see it, anyone who collects enough demerit points to lose their licence over two years can't be a prudent driver. If they were they would be mindful of the fact that their licence is on the line if the continue to speed and would drive appropriately.

What about warnings? If you take the first ticket as a warning that you will lose your licence if you continue to drive in this manner, then you could say that warnings do work. However it has been proven, not just in this country, that verbal warnings do not work. Drivers tend to slow down for an average of about 8 - 10 k's and then just continue driving as they did before.

[spudchucka]

The points for me but my son who is studying money for him. So there you go.
Most people are frustrated with the lack of police action on non road crime. Then when they speed they get hit hard. Just the way it is. I came out swinging here from time to time but took me a while to figure out it was the lack of other policing that was the problem not the road tickets.

I agree that there is an obvious imbalance. I have no problem with the current levels of road policing, I'd just like to see lots more resources pumped into general policing.

[spudchucka]

What, I wonder, is the change in the number of people travelling in excess of 120?

It is much harder to catch people in the +20kph bracket today than it was only a couple of years ago. This is because the national mean speeds have lowered. You still get rouges who travel at whatever speed they like but these people are often well above the +20kph zone and are usually the ones that fail to stop etc.

[spudchucka]

As a guess Mike L I imagine the guy who reg travels above 120kmh doesnt give a rats arse, because he Mr Industructable.
That was in 2002 so I would love to see if it has had a effect on the average speed on the open road. I would hazzard a guess that it wont of. But maybe Spud or Scumdog could enlighten us on that as it is more their area than mine :spudwave:

Have a look here: http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/research/speed1.html

Remember that these are mean speeds. To get a mean speed of 113, as in the 85th percentile graph, there has to be a hell of a lot of drivers who are travelling well above 100kph.

What is interesting is that there is an overall trend towards lower mean speeds, which has to be a good thing for road safety.