Speeding, ouch..................

[spudchucka]

yeah i do em all the time, not that i go out to do it but i love riding fast and hate tickets, so its the only option, the day they get cars that will catch my bike will be the day i stop riding

Everyone.....meet the 85th percentile!

[ajturbo]

It is much harder to catch people in the +20kph bracket today than it was only a couple of years ago. This is because the national mean speeds have lowered. You still get rouges who travel at whatever speed they like but these people are often well above the +20kph zone and are usually the ones that fail to stop etc.

shit NOW you tell us...so what you are saying here is that the other day when i was sooooo very nice to for stopping ..i didn't need to?
i was doing 128.......he said.....






na man i was in no postion to do a runner,
i had luke on the back ..........oh and the fuel light had just turned on.......NOT saying that the thouhgt didn't cross my mind

[PeteThePom]

Apart from the fact failed to notice a cop and couldn't slow down in time to avoid losing your license. So obviously you weren't paying that much attention and didn't have that much control.

OK Mr Smartarse!
1: He was in an un-marked car, so I'd have had to spot his epatulettes to realise which would of meant I WASN'T paying attention to the road, not wise at those speeds.

2: At that speed i would need to spot him a long way off to adjust my speed appropriatley, bearing point 1 above, tell me do you ride your bike whilst looking through binoculars?

3: If I didn't have that much control how come I'm sitting here typing this and not pushing up daisies?

4:Constructive criticism I can take, pointless comments are just a waste of my time, come talk to me when you know what your talking about!

[PeteThePom]

Some Quick Questions:
Is 111kmh > 100Kmh?
Is 116kmh > 100kmh?
Was the speed limit 100kmh?
Are demerit points handed out for getting caught exceeding the speed limit?

Comment:
I speed on occasions. Hey - I went out on a ride on a Learner's permit and had the bike up to 130. I didn't get done. I'm lucky, but I knew the risks when I chose to do 130. *shrug* My choice. Don't wanna get the points? Don't speed ... simple.

Just because we choose to do something that is illegal, doesn't make it any less illegal, even if it is a nice straight road, nothing coming, nice clear visibility, perfectly safe at 320 Kmh, 111 is still 11k over the limit.

So using your rules, if I come across a truck broken down blocking the road on a piece of road covered with 'no passing' lines I just sit and wait for the truck to be moved out of the way??? Do you understand the word discretion?

[PeteThePom]

First, none of the comments I make here are personal, OK? Good!

Now then, this is the problem I have with speed limits...........
SPEED DOES NOT KILL! No really it doesn't, if it did then I should have expired as soon as I breached the 100MPH limit..........yes, it is silly isn't it.

SPEED DOES NOT KILL............

HARSH DECELERATION KILLS........

HARSH DECELERATION is caused by hitting something else, that something else may be a piece of the countryside or another vehicle.

Either of which has been hit/ has hit due to 'human error' caused by a 'miscalculation' be it, "yes I can get round this corner on a wet and windy day at 100mph" or "I can overtake this long line of traffic in my clapped out Familia as we crest the brow of this hill" etc, etc

There is NO research that proves that GOING FASTER means you are MORE LIKELY to CRASH....there IS research that shows that IF you CRASH, the HIGHER the SPEED the MORE LIKELY you are to be CRITICALLY INJURED OR KILLED.....

Do you see what I am getting at?

SPEED DOES NOT KILL...............

BUT IT'S AN EASY TARGET FOR THE POWERS THAT BE seen to be doing something about a percieved problem(and perception is reality, as we all know...for instance, if the market percieves that a property is worth $1M then it is the reality regardless of the real reality or the reality of the owner)

If you need an example?....the autobahns in Germany!
NO SPEED LIMITS, RELATIVELY LOW ACCIDENT RATES


THE REAL ANSWER IS better driver education and understanding of what is a stupid thing to do, like overtaking on a no passing strip at a 160kph in front of an un-marked police car!

PS:As my UK license had expired, I couldn't have it suspended(you cant suspend what you don't have) so instead I was done for driving whilst unlicensed. On Monday I sat my theory test and got my Kiwi drivers license...result, only off the road for a day.

Thanks to the nice policeman who turned up at my house to tell me all of this and give me my license back, he is a star.

AND YES, THE SUN DOES SHINE OUT OF MY ARSE!!

[marty]

actually, the law says:



(6)No driver at or approaching any portion of a roadway where the controlling authority has marked a no-passing line in accordance with regulation 110 hereof (being a line applying to traffic moving in the direction in which he is moving) shall pass or attempt to pass any vehicle (other than a bicycle) moving in the same direction (emphasis added by me) within the length of roadway upon which that line is marked until he reaches the further end of the no-passing line, unless throughout the passing movement he keeps his vehicle wholly to the left of the no-passing line.


so, if the vehcile is stopped, you are perfectly entitled to cross the no-pass lines. if the vehicle (truck/tactor/pajero etc) is travelling very slowly, then discretion is the issue.

[PeteThePom]

actually, the law says:
unless throughout the passing movement he keeps his vehicle wholly to the left of the no-passing line. ............................edited................ ..so, if the vehcile is stopped, you are perfectly entitled to cross the no-pass lines. if the vehicle (truck/tactor/pajero etc) is travelling very slowly, then discretion is the issue.

So point 1, if I don't cross the lines I can still pass AND discretion is required!!!
So no discretion in doing it right in front of Mr Plod!!

[2_SL0]

Yokai, give me back my Moro bar, Ill swap the Mars bar for the Moro.

[marty]

So point 1, if I don't cross the lines I can still pass AND discretion is required!!!
So no discretion in doing it right in front of Mr Plod!!

sorry pete, i don't get where you're coming from. if you don't cross the line, there's no issue. if the vehicle is stopped, you can cross the line . if it is moving, and you do cross the no-pass line, technically you are breaking the law, however the cop has discretion as to consequence. in my experience, for overtaking slow moving trucks, as long as there is 100m visibility throghout the move, there is no problem - the 100m test is the significant safety issue.

[Bonez]

Even better - don't speed, get bored, turn to drink and drugs, beat the wife, get dovorced and be forced to live the rest of your life in a cardboard box in the gutter - or even worse join the H.P!!

Hey that's a good idea. Think of allll the nice KBers one will meet. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm what is that ol saying. Oh, yes- If you can't beat them, join them.

[scumdog]

OK Mr Smartarse!
1: He was in an un-marked car, so I'd have had to spot his epatulettes to realise which would of meant I WASN'T paying attention to the road, not wise at those speeds.

2: At that speed i would need to spot him a long way off to adjust my speed appropriatley, bearing point 1 above, tell me do you ride your bike whilst looking through binoculars?

3: If I didn't have that much control how come I'm sitting here typing this and not pushing up daisies?

4:Constructive criticism I can take, pointless comments are just a waste of my time, come talk to me when you know what your talking about!

Did you REALLY need to risk your licence by cranking up to that speed? If it was to get past the truck then maybe you could have left it until you had more room eh?

YOU were speeding - you pay, what's your problem? Show me in the road code where it says "You may exceed the speed limit while crossing the no-passing line as long as you are overtaking a very slow truck" and I might have some sympathy for you.
Harden up, you screwed up and got caught, pay up and shut up.

BTW, in reference to somebody elses comment, I did a 170km trip with a prisoner the other day and left the radar on for the whole trip, never saw any speed over 110kph and it was at night so don't say 'they must have seen you'. ( I realise the speeders with detectors would have been alerted but they are in the minority).
Kind of makes a myth that 'everybody' is doing 115 - 120kph.

[Devil]

Kind of makes a myth that 'everybody' is doing 115 - 120kph.

Agreed. When im out on the open road (in the cage) I sit at a constant 108ish km/h (+- 2km/h) and im passing 95% of the traffic

[Yokai]

So using your rules, if I come across a truck broken down blocking the road on a piece of road covered with 'no passing' lines I just sit and wait for the truck to be moved out of the way???

Ummm - what has that to do with the questions I asked? or speeding?

Do you understand the word discretion?

Ummmm - yes - I'm the one that posted the definition in this thread. (post #48).

I am having a hard time figuring the point of your post. But hey! its a free world. (personally I'd go round the obstruction ... but then again, as I said before - I speed... no accounting for the choices I make...)

[Yokai]

Yokai, give me back my Moro bar, Ill swap the Mars bar for the Moro.

Eeeeeeewwwwwwwww....... I'll buy you a Moro on the next ride we are both on! m'kay?

[PeteThePom]

sorry pete, i don't get where you're coming from. if you don't cross the line, there's no issue. if the vehicle is stopped, you can cross the line . if it is moving, and you do cross the no-pass line, technically you are breaking the law, however the cop has discretion as to consequence. in my experience, for overtaking slow moving trucks, as long as there is 100m visibility throghout the move, there is no problem - the 100m test is the significant safety issue.

Sorry, maybe I should have been more specific. There was plenty more than 100m visibility after my manouver, I accept that TECHNICALLY I was breaking the law but the REALITY was that is was not, in my opinion, a dangerous manouver, as I could see to the bloody horizon! I'm not talking about the speed here, just the overtake, interestingly in the UK, the road code states that you should overtake as quickly and safely as possible...something to do with being on the wrong side of the road is potentially dangerous, so therefore it is acceptable to speed in order to complete the manouver and thus spend as little time on the wrong side of the road as possible!