Speeding, ouch..................

[PeteThePom]

Did you REALLY need to risk your licence by cranking up to that speed? If it was to get past the truck then maybe you could have left it until you had more room eh?

YOU were speeding - you pay, what's your problem? Show me in the road code where it says "You may exceed the speed limit while crossing the no-passing line as long as you are overtaking a very slow truck" and I might have some sympathy for you.
Harden up, you screwed up and got caught, pay up and shut up.

BTW, in reference to somebody elses comment, I did a 170km trip with a prisoner the other day and left the radar on for the whole trip, never saw any speed over 110kph and it was at night so don't say 'they must have seen you'. ( I realise the speeders with detectors would have been alerted but they are in the minority).
Kind of makes a myth that 'everybody' is doing 115 - 120kph.

I don't have a problem with the fine or the points, yes I screwed up and I accept the penalties, I just think that placing MY entire livelihood in jeopardy because of a mere(and this is how I view it) speeding offence is heavy handed, do you think that someone should have their entire life go down the toilet because of a speeding offence?

I notice that although you quoted me, you didn't address any of the points I raised.............................oh and I wasn't cranking up to that speed to pass the truck, I was just enjoying myself! Sorry, I forgot we are not allowed to do that in this day and age!! And yes I am being sarcastic, to save you the bother of replying along the lines of risking other road users lives which I accept is a valid point and not one that I disagree with.

[PeteThePom]

Ummm - what has that to do with the questions I asked? or speeding?

Ummmm - yes - I'm the one that posted the definition in this thread. (post #48).

I am having a hard time figuring the point of your post. But hey! its a free world. (personally I'd go round the obstruction ... but then again, as I said before - I speed... no accounting for the choices I make...)

I was referencing your comment about the law being the law(speed limit is 100kph), the point I was trying to make is this, just cos it's the law, doesn't make it right..............

[spudchucka]

Now then, this is the problem I have with speed limits...........
SPEED DOES NOT KILL! No really it doesn't, if it did then I should have expired as soon as I breached the 100MPH limit..........yes, it is silly isn't it.

Now see thats the problem you are having, the speed limit in NZ is 100Kph, not 100Mph.

SPEED DOES NOT KILL............

HARSH DECELERATION KILLS........

HARSH DECELERATION is caused by hitting something else, that something else may be a piece of the countryside or another vehicle.

In order to experience harsh deceleration one or more vehicles would first have to be travelling at reasonably high velocity, therefore, in a discussion about road safety, crashes and injuries, you can't look at speed and harsh deceleration as unconnected issues.

Either of which has been hit/ has hit due to 'human error' caused by a 'miscalculation'

A miscalculation such as overestimating the safe speed at which a corner could be negotiated. This could be at 30kph or 230kph, if the speed was too great for the conditions then I'm afraid speed was a factor if not an absolute cause.

there IS research that shows that IF you CRASH, the HIGHER the SPEED the MORE LIKELY you are to be CRITICALLY INJURED OR KILLED.....

Do you see what I am getting at?

SPEED DOES NOT KILL...............

You just contradicted yourself! Speed is directly linked to trauma and death experienced as a result of traffic crashes. By the way I believe there is research to suggest that higher speeds increase the likelyhood of crashing, if I find it I'll post it.

BUT IT'S AN EASY TARGET FOR THE POWERS THAT BE seen to be doing something about a percieved problem(and perception is reality, as we all know...for instance, if the market percieves that a property is worth $1M then it is the reality regardless of the real reality or the reality of the owner)

And thats a common arguement used by people who are looking for any reason to justify travelling at whatever speed they feel like.

If you need an example?....the autobahns in Germany!
NO SPEED LIMITS, RELATIVELY LOW ACCIDENT RATES

And when they do have a crash it is usually a fucken horror smash. Why? Something to do with speed perhaps? The fact that the autobahns do not have oncoming traffic crossing over the centre line has a lot to do with lower crash rates.

THE REAL ANSWER IS better driver education and understanding of what is a stupid thing to do, like overtaking on a no passing strip at a 160kph in front of an un-marked police car!

Overtaking on double yellows at 160kph in full view of a police officer. Its hard to get much more stupid than that! So what "driver education" programme are you signing up for in order to ensure the rest of the law abiding motoring public of NZ that you will not be so stupid in the future?

[spudchucka]

I don't have a problem with the fine or the points, yes I screwed up and I accept the penalties, I just think that placing MY entire livelihood in jeopardy because of a mere(and this is how I view it) speeding offence is heavy handed, do you think that someone should have their entire life go down the toilet because of a speeding offence?

As a road user it is up to you to know the consequences of breaking traffic laws. If your livelihood requires that you hold a drivers licence then you are a bloody fool to put yourself in the position where you could lose it, (your licence).

Try taking some ownership for your own actions!

[igor]

Ido you think that someone should have their entire life go down the toilet because of a speeding offence?
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its always some elses fault for some F*#kwits mistake.

i c the maoris up north don't think they got a fair go after they do a deal on there land 40 years later and want more. yeah right

the dude that killed his baby it was Chch hospitals fault cause they didn't give him a counsellor. yeah right

Irena is missing. its the Polices fault cause they should of sent a car that was 30 mins away . yeah right

I was riding my bike and got zapped at high speed, my life has gone down the toilet, its the Polices fault , yeah right

[vifferman]

As a road user it is up to you to know the consequences of breaking traffic laws. If your livelihood requires that you hold a drivers licence then you are a bloody fool to put yourself in the position where you could lose it, (your licence).

Try taking some ownership for your own actions!

Yeah! Suck it up, Whinger!

[2_SL0]

Ok, calm people caaaallllllllm. Lok Yokai pmed me and said he will shout everyone a Moro bar. So its all going to be A O K.

[vifferman]

Ok, calm people caaaallllllllm. Lok Yokai pmed me and said he will shout everyone a Moro bar. So its all going to be A O K.

Kewl! Gettim to PM me one.

[igor]

Yeah! Suck it up, Whinger!

hes aloud to be a whinger, hes a POM for christ sake

its in there jeans

look at all the unions, run by POMs

if they ant whinging they ant happy

he could of got off the ticket if he had told the cop he had heard tere was queue in the next town and he was in a hurry to join it.

thats what poms also do, join queues and whing.

they also train spot thats what they also do, so if ya told him a really rare train was coming and ya was gunna queue and whing in the line he would of probably let u off and given u a get out of free jail card for next time

but ya didn't tll him so its your his fault ya didn't so, to bad

[2_SL0]

Kewl! Gettim to PM me one.

Well I cant because he told me to keep it a secret. Ive already blabbed so I proberly wont get mine. But the rest of you should be fiine. Just dont let on that I told you when you ask him for your Moro.

[Yokai]

Ok, calm people caaaallllllllm. Lok Yokai pmed me and said he will shout everyone a Moro bar. So its all going to be A O K.

I said You next time we are on a ride together! Don't be giving my Moro bars away!

Just because it's the law doesn't make it right...

Ummmmm - yes it does. Legal right is defined by society's law makers ... generally it falls in line with moral right, but not necessarily. We've only been talking about Legal right...

:spudwhat:

Ho hum

[MikeL]

: Legal right is defined by society's law makers ... generally it falls in line with moral right, but not necessarily. We've only been talking about Legal right...

Exactly. That's the whole point here.

Some people are saying that the law's the law, we know the consequences of breaking it and therefore have no right to complain.

Others are trying to say that the law or its enforcement is unfair: how else do unfair laws get changed unless people complain?

One man's whingeing is another's legitimate grievance...

[spudchucka]

Exactly. That's the whole point here.

Some people are saying that the law's the law, we know the consequences of breaking it and therefore have no right to complain.

Others are trying to say that the law or its enforcement is unfair: how else do unfair laws get changed unless people complain?

One man's whingeing is another's legitimate grievance...

Burglars that get sent to jail think it is unfair....
Paedofiles don't think there is anything wrong with rooting small boys....
Drug dealers think that hocking pot to school kids is a legitimate way of making a living.....

They all whinge when they get caught and punished although they all knew thats exactly what would happen to them if they got caught.

Certain things are made illegal because society as a whole has said that the individuals right to do as he pleases in these instances is less important than the need to prevent the harm caused by the behaviour that they wish to indulge in.

One mans harmless indulgence is another mans death and destruction.

It works both ways Mike and society has detremined that we should all travel no faster than 100kph on the open road and nor should we overtake on double yellow lines. Those who think it unfair should by all means campaign against it but don't whinge about it because you all know the consequences.

[marty]

If you need an example?....the autobahns in Germany!
NO SPEED LIMITS, RELATIVELY LOW ACCIDENT RATES

!!

so,,,,,,presuming you have driven on the german autobahn, which road in new zealand emulates just 10 feet of said autobahn? i'm sure it wasn't the road you were overtaking a truck at 160ish k on the wrong side of no passing lines while you were out having a fang, being in no particular rush to get anywhere...

[marty]

if anyone cares, i got this from here>>>>> http://international.fhwa.dot.gov/Pd...p/chapter2.htm



it actually makes for intersting reading. how about we try emulating some of their habits?



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Safety Program Elements and Activities
Examples of safety program elements and activities in Germany are listed below. This list includes only examples of particular interest to scanning team members and should not be considered comprehensive.

• Seatbelt use is required in Germany, and almost all drivers and passengers use seatbelts. Usage is about 98 percent along the autobahn, or freeway, and about 94 percent along rural roadways.
• German legislation limits the acceptable blood alcohol content of a driver to 0.05. It is also a traffic offense to drive under the influence of drugs or to use a cell phone while driving. Use of radar and laser detectors is also illegal.
• A license to drive can be acquired at age 18 in Germany, and the cost of obtaining a license is more than U.S. $1,000. Several changes in the education and instruction of drivers have been suggested, including graduated licensing. A number of young driver education and awareness campaigns have been initiated.
• Speed management is an important part of highway safety programs in Germany. Speed limits have been instituted on some parts of the autobahn system. For example, the Rheinland-Pfalz highway authority has attained a 25 percent reduction in crashes on selected autobahn sections totaling about 90 miles by posting 80 miles-per-hour (130 kilometers-per-hour) speed limits and implementing no-passing restrictions on trucks.
• Variable message light-emitting-diode (LED) signs have been used along segments of roadway near construction and locations where congestion or crashes often occur. These LED signs indicate the status of the roadway lanes and regulate the speed in each lane. For example, speeds may be reduced gradually in lanes approaching a congested area. Signs in some areas indicate a more appropriate route for the driver.
• Traffic calming measures and speed cameras (photo radar) are also used in speed management. An example is use of gateways at interfaces from rural to urban areas. Use of this type of device was addressed by a previous scan study. In some German states, all speed enforcement is now accomplished with speed cameras.
• Collisions with trees result in 33 percent of the driving fatalities that occur in Germany. A significant amount of research has been done in this area and several recommendations have been generated to reduce vehicle-tree crashes. The arguments against removing trees along roadways in Germany, however, are the same as those in the United States.· Trees and other visualization tactics are used to guide drivers to the existence and location of critical decision points, such as intersections, curves, and entry points to urban areas.
• The Germans have changed some rural two-lane roadways to the 2+1 cross section, which has a passing lane on alternating sides of the roadway. Unlike the Swedish, however, they do not use cable median barriers on these roadways.
• An experimental lighted in-pavement lane marking for a ramp diverge has been applied in at least one location in Germany. Authorities believe it has been effective in increasing the capacity and safety of this diverge area, and may have potential at other locations.
• Germany has initiated a proactive road safety audit program. Audits will be conducted by independent, well-trained investigators, and will be completed during a project's planning, initial design, detailed design, and pre-opening stages. The auditor will interact with the project's owning jurisdiction, which will make the decision to accept or reject any safety audit recommendations. Forty-eight audits have been completed in a pilot project, 34 of them in the state of Brandenburg. Road safety audits were the focus of a previous scanning study.