Police blast speed cameras.

[Coldrider]

Have you got a ZX9 or is that your penis talking

I'm not the one wishing to issue a ticket to every single person to save one life then riding a 270kph motorcycle.
Yes my dick is a ZX9.
Maybe Ting Tong would like to clean up after this accident, if you look closedly you can see the survivors.

[HenryDorsetCase]

i really hate dealing with these deaths, they ARE avoidable its just the standard or driving and riding in this country is crap! and its everyone elses fault but yours, especially when you get a ticket for something you know you were doing!!!

I agree with you. I really do.

Now, please explain to me how enforcement of an arbitrarily set speed limit improves the "standard of riding or driving in this country".

I suggest to you that in fact the standard of drivers and driving in this country is completely separate from how fast any given driver is going at any given time.

New Zealand drivers are homicidal maniacs trying to kill me every time I go out, I suggest to you that at 99 kph or at 101 kph their actions are the same, and that in fact the difference between those speeds is not relevant except in the current statutorily defined context.

Ive said it before, but I will say it again, and I would like a considered response from you: My position is that there is no necessity for any speed limit anywhere. all that is necessary is enforcement of the four lawfully mandated standards relating to driving: Your driving is acceptable, (which is OK), your driving is careless you get a ticket, or other penalty, your driving is reckless, you get an appropriate penalty, your driving is dangerous, appropriate penalty.

A punter doesnt agree that their conduct was in the appropriate category? They have avenues (negotiating with the cop on the spot, negotiation/plea bargain, fighting it out in Court).

Oh no, I hear you say, it will tie up all our time in pointless court cases. So what? Every citizen has their right to a day in Court. If you have a system of infringement equivalents and plea bargains, then you might be surprised how few would bother. I don't know and its speculation but I would suspect it wouldnt be many.

What people, reasonable people, object to is the arbitrary nature of a randomly chosen figure being touted as the be-all and end-all of road safety.

It just isn't.

And dont get me started on driver licencing and training. OK you got me started:

No driver licence till you are 18, then only to be accompanied by a licenced driver with full licence for the first year. No passengers. Zero alcohol limit until 25 (by that time the habit might stick). No one gets a full licence without doing defensive driving courses, proper assessment and car control and including a first aid course and seeing some real car wrecks and maybe some carnage (real carnage, not stupid TV stuff). In fact everyone should do AT LEAST what the cops have to do to get qualified to drive a cop car (Silver star or standard or whatever its called).

Motorcycles similar but no 250cc limit: limit is kw/kg and it is up to the applicant to demonstrate that.

Thats my serious bit, now my not so serious bit (for the humour impaired):

When I take power from Uncle Helen with my ninja army, this will be the second thing I implement (the first will be execution of Winston Peters, and a bunch of others, by firing squad.)

Who's with me? Are you trained as a ninja?

[jahrasti]

And thats your right. I am not defending the cop but can the licence plate be seen when you are on the bike and someone is looking behind it from a car or such like?

I have seen number plates on bikes deliberately mounted so far foward that it is infact hard to see. And I have thought about giving them my autograph.

[jahrasti]

I'm not the one wishing to issue a ticket to every single person to save one life then riding a 270kph motorcycle.
Yes my dick is a ZX9.
Maybe Ting Tong would like to clean up after this accident, if you look closedly you can see the survivors.

Sweet as I will do it

[Biggles08]

Biggles - you are 10-ft-tall and bulletproof.

Not really....had a bad accident (still recovering now) in November because of a knobskin in a car parked on the road around a blind corner looking for a Christmas tree. he got a slap on the back of the hand with a wet bus ticket for that but when I go 150kph+ on a wide open road reminiscent of the autobahn in Germany, I would get immediate suspension for 28 days, $1000 fine with the possibility of 6 months no driving - all in the name of road safety! Fuck the wanker police (road going nazi's) in this country....they are mainly little boys who feel the need to justify their place by going out of there way to dumb down drivers to a point where they think speed kills?!?!? What a fucking joke! Speed kills about as much as water drowns...get fucking real!

[Matt_TG]

Take your pills and go and live in Germany mate.

[The Pastor]

.Yes my dick is a ZX9.

I wish my penis was a motorbike

[Coldrider]

Take your pills and go and live in Germany mate.

Autobahns yeh hah. Is this a police site now.

[jahrasti]

A punter doesnt agree that their conduct was in the appropriate category? They have avenues (negotiating with the cop on the spot, negotiation/plea bargain, fighting it out in Court).

Oh no, I hear you say, it will tie up all our time in pointless court cases. So what? Every citizen has their right to a day in Court. If you have a system of infringement equivalents and plea bargains, then you might be surprised how few would bother. I don't know and its speculation but I would suspect it wouldnt be many.

Fair enough you are allowed your day in court, but what happens when it is General Duties cops that are in court? Is that not one less cop that can go to callouts that day? GDB officers give out tickets too.
What are you going to plea bargain, Sorry I knew my WOF was two months overdue, if you drop the ticket to half the money I will get it tomorrow I promise.
Sorry I knew I had cut spings, Don't give me a pink sticker and I will put the correct ones in tonight I promise.
I didn't have my seatbelt on because I don't believe that they save lives, but drop my ticket by half and i will wear it all the time I promise.

I could go on and on

[Biggles08]

Take your pills and go and live in Germany mate.

Yeah thats the way...send everyone who disagrees with you overseas....are you part of the Labor party?

Maybe you should organize some camps where you can send all these people to...in trains that don't speed of course....hold on that sounds familiar!

[SPman]

"The road toll has been reduced by about 50 per cent since the inception of cameras in 1989."

Whilst totally ignoring the effect of enhanced car structures, airbags, ABS brakes, vehicle stability control, better roads, tyres, just generally better vehicles!!

Its all down to speed cameras, folks!

What a crock of shit!

[jahrasti]

Not really....had a bad accident (still recovering now) in November because of a knobskin in a car parked on the road around a blind corner looking for a Christmas tree. he got a slap on the back of the hand with a wet bus ticket for that but when I go 150kph+ on a wide open road reminiscent of the autobahn in Germany, I would get immediate suspension for 28 days, $1000 fine with the possibility of 6 months no driving - all in the name of road safety! Fuck the wanker police (road going nazi's) in this country....they are mainly little boys who feel the need to justify their place by going out of there way to dumb down drivers to a point where they think speed kills?!?!? What a fucking joke! Speed kills about as much as water drowns...get fucking real!

Sorry my mistake I forgot it was the Police that hand out the punishments, I forgot justice was dispanded.
But I am curious why are they little boys?

[Biggles08]

Sorry my mistake I forgot it was the Police that hand out the punishments, I forgot justice was dispanded.
But I am curious why are they little boys?

Look down your pants between your legs...its kinda obvious.

[jahrasti]

Yeah thats the way...send everyone who disagrees with you overseas....are you part of the Labor party?

Maybe you should organize some camps where you can send all these people to...in trains that don't speed of course....hold on that sounds familiar!

Look down your pants between your legs...its kinda obvious.

I'm a little tea pot short and stout here is my handle here is my spout.

If I am the pot you must be the kettle.

[PrincessBandit]

Okay, i just had to go back and read the starter post in this thread. I don't see what everyone is getting their dick in a huge knot for. (Apart from perhaps trying to prove that it's long enough for them to tie in a knot). If I speed or run a red light and I'm pinged, who do I have to blame for that? Let's see here, thinking really really hard, oh, I've nearly got it, it's on the tip of my tongue....Light bulb: the answer is ME! We know what the road rules are and if we're going to flout them we are well aware what the consequences will be - this is regardless of what our "criminal behaviour" is. Getting het up over who gets a slap on the wrist with a wet lettuce leaf compared to the huge fine we might get for something we feel is far less "dangerous" is understandable but not likely to solve anything. HTFU, suck it up, and take ya medicine. I have nothing but admiration for the police who often have a crap job which seems to result in getting a lot of grief when they're either only trying to do their best and /or following orders. (This from a woman who had to wait for hours before police could arrive when she walked in on a burglar in her own home one night).