Quarter of Police unhappy in job

[SixPackBack]

As I said buddy, and I do mean it, I was not having a go at you. I recall what you told me of your run ins with the blue team, and I understand your misgivings...

However, I am annoyed at the media for always blowing things out of proportion and portraying everything under a dramatic light.

And unfortunately, I will not see the whole Police Corp damnable because of three damaging cases in point...nor because of your personal run ins with them.

I have only ever had one bad experience with the police. But I still don't think that it is :
a/ an enviable job, and so tend to respect those who actually do it well (because yes, there are some
b/ fair to bunch them all in one tidy package to suit the fact that the general population loves to hate someone who enforces rules.

You realise you're making excuses for them huh

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[Swoop]

I have found it quite interesting over the last two days. Trying to report some suspicious activity of someone who may be doing a bit of burglary in the area.
Phoned the local plod and asked to be put onto community constable or local burg. squad. then waited... and waited.
Everybody must be out solving crimes, targeting speeding bikers or at the donut shop.
Answerphone messages must not be in use for our local CC. I even have a licence plate they could investigate.

I'm now feeling so depressed I should enlist.

[firefighter]

Ok, I don't blame them......the poor bastards have gone from one of the top respected jobs to rock bottom......and it's not really thier fault.....Campbell Live should be given a smack around the bloody head. it's negative media attention which is giving them a bad name, the country hates them, the media portray every bad move with massive coverage- always forgetting the massive amounts of good they really do, music gives them shit, then they have to do 3 hours paperwork for evry 30mins of police chase......all so the cunts can get off with a pat on the hand.......seems a bit sad really huh? The kids have a rediculous attitude against them, and a massive amount of you "adults" do too, if you get pulled over for speeding, it's because you were speeding, and they're sick of dealig with the aftermath......oh yeah they get blamed for that too...... they don't really earn that much for the hours they put in, I can't believe firefighters get off so scot-free, there's plenty of bullshit that the media dont over exaggerate, and as for those girls on tv last night, well lets face it, they were probably drinking the piss, in a well known no liquor zone, lets be real about it.....think of all the bullshit stories, ohhhh i didnt know,fuck off you broke fucken law deal with it.yes it did go a bit far but thats certainly not as bad as the volunteer fireman that was lighting fires and called it in from the firestation! bet you never heard that?! open your eyes up for fucks sake and remember there out there doing job, and you all give them shit for it.

[firefighter]

Ps. other firefighters on here, sorry but I think it just needed to be said.

[Hitcher]

Information like this should not be made public. Like any human resources initiative, Gallup survey information should be the sole preserve of the organisation to which it applies. Releasing it, as this Police information has been, in the absence of any context, is meaningless. In this case it is only being used by opposition members of Parliament to try and score cheap political points against the Government.

HR issues in the Police are complex and long-seated. There will be no easy fixes. And sharing information like their Gallup engagement survey data with the public will not make the task any easier, as it holds the whole process up to ridicule, rather than allowing it to be used constructively, as it is intended.

[Squiggles]

Unless it's doing me for speeding, I've yet to see a kiwi copper investigating anything useful with any sort of passion.

Scummy passionately streaked down the road

[Skyryder]

Information like this should not be made public. Like any human resources initiative, Gallup survey information should be the sole preserve of the organisation to which it applies. Releasing it, as this Police information has been, in the absence of any context, is meaningless. In this case it is only being used by opposition members of Parliament to try and score cheap political points against the Government.

HR issues in the Police are complex and long-seated. There will be no easy fixes. And sharing information like their Gallup engagement survey data with the public will not make the task any easier, as it holds the whole process up to ridicule, rather than allowing it to be used constructively, as it is intended.

On this basis............ no public information should be released on any Government Department as the opposition could make cheap political points from it And sharing information data with the public would not make any shortfalls in departmental performance any easier to correct as it holds the whole process up to ridicule, rather than allowing it to be used constructively, as it is intended.

Not one of your better posts Hitch.


Skyryder

[spudchucka]

I have no problem with it being released to the public because it forces the top brass to acknowledge the problem and do something positive about it.

Politicians and the media love booting around the police football, if it wasn't this matter they'd be having a go over something else.

[SixPackBack]

More from the Herald this morning........

[Patrick]

...the answer must be spend more money on whats required to get the job done...in Scummy's case, I'm sure a 69 Boss 351 Mustang patrol car would do the trick - or maybe a Boss 429.......

Nice... New Minister of Police for you, vote now...

...... thats certainly not as bad as the volunteer fireman that was lighting fires and called it in from the firestation! bet you never heard that?! open your eyes up for fucks sake and remember there out there doing job, and you all give them shit for it.

Good post FF

Sadly, there have, in the past, been a couple of vollys putting in a bad name doing this sort of thing. Perhaps TV3 didn't get a hold of it?

[jrandom]

Information like this should not be made public. Like any human resources initiative...

You forget that in this case, the public are stakeholders and customers, so to speak. I deplore the occasional elitism in this country's public service that views the taxpayer as an inferior being, to be placated and ignored rather than informed and consulted.



Would you criticise a board of directors for releasing an organisation's HR survey results to shareholders at the AGM?

[Rogue]

I remember talking to a copper and his mates years ago about policing the roads. They were rather happy that the MOT/TC's were undertaking the law enforcement. Their reasoning was that where the police undertook traffic enforcement they lost the respect of the public. I wonder if this is the case in NZ? People show no respect which makes the job harder and less enjoyable. Hence complacent attutudes with some staff.
Maybe a good reason to bring back the MOT/TC's

I agree that dealing with the paper work and scum can frustrate and have an effect on attitudes.
I am also sure that if the recruits didnt know about them and other problems they might encounter before they enlisted they would have learned about them during their training. So they cannot use these as examples of why they dislike their job.
If you cant handle the heat get out of the kitchen

Then there is the culture and office politics that might effect their attutudes.
This is harder to deal with, but as in any job these can come hand in hand.
Again "If you cant handle the heat get out of the kitchen"

Maybe by lowering the acceptance standards for recruits could have changed the dynamic of the police force for the worse?

[Biggles08]

I am sure different people have different reasons for disliking the police. I am just not convinced that people are truly honnest with themselves when it comes to admitting why they lay the blame so heavily in the first place.

Personally I have a problem with how the 'speed kills' issue is handled...and that is merely because that issue relates directly to me...I like to ride quicker than the set speed limits in certain situations and can confirm that I'm 100% not prepared to kill because of it (as the LTNZ would want you to believe)- therefor I have a vested interest in this particular law. If I had kids and thought I had the right to smack my child while disciplining them I'm sure I would show/vent my frustration at that 'bad' law., but it doesn't affect me directly.

So...when it comes to why people dislike the police and their reasons for it, I'm sure you will find that it is due to the 'personal' experiences they have had surrounding their particular interest. The only time I have any contact with the law keepers in this country is when they stop me on the side of the road for allegedly committing an offense. Why can't they stop while we're standing on the side of the road having a cigarette break to say hi and generally treat me like a human??? why? A police officer originally from Dublin did this once to my mates and me and fuck did it impress me...I bet he's gone now though as his attitude was wrong according to the quota system.

Now let me make this very clear...I'M AWARE THE SET SPEED LIMIT IS 100KPH ON THE OPEN ROAD and if I choose to ignore this rule and I'm caught...so be it, give me the ticket, I'll be pissed off at what I perceive to be a bad law being enforced but will take it on the chin and carry on.....BUT....and its a big 'but,' don't give me a lecture telling me that I'm prepared to kill someone or that my riding is dangerous when clearly surrounding the circumstances in which I'm stopped its not. I know when I'm riding dangerous and I also know that it is getting less and less as I get older so a pimpled faced police officer telling me how I should be riding is where I will get angry.

The reason I think the police have a lot to answer to is based on personal experience alone - and this is fact...its not hearsay or any other 3rd party telling me how to think it is ONLY based on issues that I have been personally involved in. I know there are bad apples everywhere but why do I see so many in the (traffic) police force...I see them....its fact remember and I'm being 100% honest with you and myself.

I would like to like the NZ police and would like to hear just once the sound of honesty when I've been pulled over for speeding "I know you weren't riding dangerous but you were exceeding the set speed limit and unfortunately I have to give you a ticket" instead of the usual BS line "If you had seen what I've had to put up with in my job you would agree that speed does kill and you going 112kph is a danger to others on this road." BULLSHIT NAZI PROPAGANDA!!!

[Patrick]

Why can't they stop while we're standing on the side of the road having a cigarette break to say hi and generally treat me like a human??? why? A police officer originally from Dublin did this once to my mates and me and fuck did it impress me...I bet he's gone now though as his attitude was wrong according to the quota system.

Been there, done that, still do that.... I like checking out the bikes and who the babes are...

I would like to like the NZ police and would like to hear just once the sound of honesty when I've been pulled over for speeding "I know you weren't riding dangerous but you were exceeding the set speed limit and unfortunately I have to give you a ticket" instead of the usual " BULLSHIT NAZI PROPAGANDA!!!

Pretty much what I tell those who get to wear a quota.

Nazis would have shot you at the road side and sold ya bike to pay for the bullet. It aint that bad....

[Biggles08]

Pretty much what I tell those who get to wear a quota.

well keep up the good work then.

Nazis would have shot you at the road side and sold ya bike to pay for the bullet. It aint that bad....

Lets sit around and do nothing then and wait for it to become that bad huh??? The Helen Brigade is merely a wolf in sheep's clothing Patrick.