Compound corners

[xwhatsit]

I'm slowly learning how to punt the RS through corners at a reasonable chop. With some advice from some smart people here, I fixed the problem I had about `cutting' corners -- delay the apex, and wind on as much throttle as the wee bike will give when one reaches said apex.

I need to solve my next issue now. Compound corners. It's not so bad when they're tight; I treat them like two corners one after another. What is slightly more difficult is the less acute compound corners. I tend to cut the `middle section' and find myself on the wrong side of the road again.

It's not that the bike doesn't like to change lines mid-corner, which I assume is what I need to do -- turn in sharp, then back off, then tighten up again. It just doesn't seem to want to `sit up', possibly a result of the low clip-ons making it a trivial matter to lay the bike over and turn in, but a concious effort to pick it back up again. Do I need to delay my apex even further? Treat it as a series of two sharp kinks? Do the whole thing faster with more throttle?

Thanks for advice for this beginner.

[skidMark]

light tap on front breaks will make it stand up real quick...LIGHT tap.

That and countersteering is your friend. if you want to stand it up again through a left hander push the right bar away from you...(turning the wheel left)

Same applies tipping it over...for a left hander push the left handlebar away from you (pointing the wheel to the right)....will lean it over quick.

[xwhatsit]

I'm well aware of counter-steering, one doesn't usually scrape pegs by just flicking around with knees, light bike or not.

It'll stand up if I tell it to, but on the whole cornering with the RS is a elegant dance, not a bar-wrestling big-bike experience. It doesn't feel very smooth to do that and it doesn't feel like good cornering practice.

[skidMark]

I'm well aware of counter-steering, one doesn't usually scrape pegs by just flicking around with knees, light bike or not.

It'll stand up if I tell it to, but on the whole cornering with the RS is a elegant dance, not a bar-wrestling big-bike experience. It doesn't feel very smooth to do that and it doesn't feel like good cornering practice.

Ok fine, take from it what you wish then.

Why do i bother.

As you were...

Skid.

[Nagash]

Ok fine, take from it what you wish then.

Why do i bother.

As you were...

Skid.

Mate,

Your advice wasn't exactly what he was looking for, don't take offence to it. There's more then one way to skin a cat.. obviously your way he's tried and it ain't working.


Unfortuantely I can't give you much advice on the whole thing, riding a cruiser means I have to take them pretty slow so the whole thing doesn't scrape off down the road so they're pretty easy for me..

[skidMark]

Mate,

Your advice wasn't exactly what he was looking for, don't take offence to it. There's more then one way to skin a cat.. obviously your way he's tried and it ain't working.


Unfortuantely I can't give you much advice on the whole thing, riding a cruiser means I have to take them pretty slow so the whole thing doesn't scrape off down the road so they're pretty easy for me..

Yeah but he says it doesnt feel like good practise, well neither it standing you bike up and changing line mid corner either.

Anyways i do not want this to become another rip into skidmark thread.

I will leave this for him to get the advice he is after.

Do not reply to this anybody.

Skid.

[jrandom]

Compound corners. It's not so bad when they're tight; I treat them like two corners one after another. What is slightly more difficult is the less acute compound corners. I tend to cut the `middle section' and find myself on the wrong side of the road again.

Yeah, I have that problem.

I find that the solution is to throttle out of the first bend harder, and just abandon the idea of turning the whole thing into one fluid progression.

So, tip in, throttle out with gay abandon (going for the little step-out and black stripe on the road if there's someone following, of course) roll off, tip in, throttle out again.

I just don't think that the roads are wide enough to allow one to stay in a safe lane position and effectively single-apex long changing-radius bends.

[Katman]

Anyways i do not want this to become another rip into skidmark thread.

Post deleted.

[kiwifruit]

Slow down

[jrandom]

Slow down

kiwifruit's so full of it, his eyes are brown.

[xwhatsit]

Ok fine, take from it what you wish then.

Why do i bother.

As you were...

Skid.

Rofl, you're worse than my girlfriend lol. I didn't mean offence, just saying it doesn't seem to be as simple as just counter-steering around my cornering problems.

Yeah, I have that problem.

I find that the solution is to throttle out of the first bend harder, and just abandon the idea of turning the whole thing into one fluid progression.

So, tip in, throttle out with gay abandon (going for the little step-out and black stripe on the road if there's someone following, of course) roll off, tip in, throttle out again.

I just don't think that the roads are wide enough to allow one to stay in a safe lane position and effectively single-apex long changing-radius bends.

I'll give that a whirl. The bike stands up and becomes quite controllable when given a decent boot -- it's neutral/barely accelerating throttle and throttle off that the thing just wants to keep turning sharply. Typically I think I'm looking ahead to the next corner bit so I'm not powering out enough of the first bit.

I don't really want to turn it into one long single-apex, but what I'd like to do is make it a much smoother progression, instead of either running across the other side of the road or making a very awkward hash of standing it up and slowing down mid-corner.

[skidMark]

Rofl, you're worse than my girlfriend lol. I didn't mean offence, just saying it doesn't seem to be as simple as just counter-steering around my cornering problems.

I'll give that a whirl. The bike stands up and becomes quite controllable when given a decent boot -- it's neutral/barely accelerating throttle and throttle off that the thing just wants to keep turning sharply. Typically I think I'm looking ahead to the next corner bit so I'm not powering out enough of the first bit.

I don't really want to turn it into one long single-apex, but what I'd like to do is make it a much smoother progression, instead of either running across the other side of the road or making a very awkward hash of standing it up and slowing down mid-corner.

You are holding revs through the corner right? not backing off then just cracking it open on exit?

[xwhatsit]

You are holding revs through the corner right? not backing off then just cracking it open on exit?

I'm taking my usual strategy (that keeps the swingarm straight and the forks not flexing) of going in slight throttle but with a bit of trail braking. Seems to work beautifully on constant-radius corners.

[jrandom]

... making a very awkward hash of standing it up and slowing down mid-corner.

I'm not sure I follow the necessity of standing the bike up to slow it down. Has your bike been afflicted with some form of Dark Magicks, so that it may not reduce in velocity once it deviates from the vertical?

[xwhatsit]

I'm not sure I follow the necessity of standing the bike up to slow it down. Has your bike been afflicted with some form of Dark Magicks, so that it may not reduce in velocity once it deviates from the vertical?

It's late at night and I'm in `walking mode' not `two wheel mode', but I think it tends to want to tighten up if I slow down while leaned over.