No small torque.

[Forest]

What would be the point? You'd have the worlds largest, heaviest motorbike, with enough torque to destroy a tyre in seconds, but which will be unable to do anything useful.

I don't think it would be heavy. The combustion engine could be a small highly efficient design like a gas turbine. Coupled with some batteries or super-caps, the engine might not even have to run constantly.

Which means better fuel efficiency, less CO2 emissions, smoother running.

[Mikkel]

Well, if torque was indeed the only thing that mattered they'd be racing massey fergusons instead of F1 cars...

learned plenty.
mainly that I want a 1:1 scale slot car.
The puns (whilst admirable) I already had.

The problem with slot cars is that, in order to enter your driveway, you have to go fast enough around a corner that you'll flip the car. Is your drive way on a corner? If not you might have a bit of an issue here.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Actually torque is everything. Power is nothing without torque and plenty rpm

Well, if torque was indeed the only thing that mattered they'd be racing massey fergusons instead of F1 cars...

HP claims win wanking competitions, torque wins races.

FACT.

[Edbear]

It depends how you ride.

Stretch likes the Std Rocket III better because it has 30 more ponies than the Tourer - I like the Tourer because it has about 10 more ft lbs.

The Tourer is de-tuned to 106bhp @ 5400 rpm but makes up for it in increased torque.

The Cruiser produces 147ft.lbt of torque at 2,500 rpm whereas the Tourer develops maximum Torque of 154ft.lbf @ 2,025 rpm.

Power down thirty-four ponies – while torque is up – yes kids ‘up’ – seven of dem foot-pounds.

With the performance this thing has, you'd have to test them back-to-back to notice the difference, surely. It's like saying the Gixxer thou has 2hp over the ZX10. When are you going to notice in the real world?

I notice the difference between my bike and the C90 as far as torque goes, but the only place my Bro-in-law had an advantage on the road was up a fairly steep hill with both of us two-up. In order to maintain the same pace, I was full throttle and he was about half throttle in top gear. I could have changed down of course, but I was testing the difference between our bikes. Outright performance was a lot closer than the engine sizes would indicate.

In the real world, on the road, I'd probably go for the tourer for better performance at anything other than "go-to-jail" speeds, but how much of a difference is it?

[Badjelly]

'Torque is what it's all about. You ride with Torque.' - Buell, E.

Bollocks - Badjelly (2008)

[Big Dave]

Bollocks - Badjelly (2008)

Yuh - like you can tell on a Scorpio.

[Big Dave]

In the real world, on the road, I'd probably go for the tourer for better performance at anything other than "go-to-jail" speeds, but how much of a difference is it?

It's not always about speed.

[Badjelly]

Yuh - like you can tell on a Scorpio.

It's faster than my Massey Ferguson!

[Big Dave]

It's faster than my Massey Ferguson!

Fastest bike over the eighth of a mile is the Rocket III. It has 40 less ponies than the Hyabusa.

[Edbear]

It's not always about speed.

That's basically what I mean. I prefer a good torque figure for the road, but also wonder if the difference between the two, considering the massive torque of the Rocket motor, was actually that noticeable?

[Badjelly]

Fastest bike over the eighth of a mile is the Rocket III. It has 40 less ponies than the Hayabusa.

Source please.

[Badjelly]

My objection to torque figures, in isolation, is that they take no account of the rev range over which the engine works, and hence the gearing required. To go back to the beginning of this thread, so a Rocket III starter motor has more torque than a Harley 883 engine, which do you think would give better on-road performance in your bike?

I have no quibble with the idea that big motors with broad power bands make for relaxed riding, if you like that sort of thing. I question the use of maximum torque as a measure of this.

And yes, Big Dave, my Scorpio doesn't have a great deal of torque or power or--let's face it--sex appeal. So obviously I am wrong and you are right.

[Big Dave]

Source please.

My own eyes.

And there is this You tube clip

[Big Dave]

To go back to the beginning of this thread, so a Rocket III starter motor has more torque than a Harley 883 engine, which do you think would give better on-road performance in your bike?

The Rocket engine it's attached to.

[Big Dave]

That's basically what I mean. I prefer a good torque figure for the road, but also wonder if the difference between the two, considering the massive torque of the Rocket motor, was actually that noticeable?

Yup. It is.