"At least she gave it a go..."

**James Deuce** · 25th May 2008, 14:44

Originally Posted by Manxman

Why not sterilisation? Especially now she has been proven to be a shocking "mother".

Eugenics is an appalling suggestion. It is (to invoke Godwin's Law) a National Socialist's Gestalt that makes that an acceptable solution. That kind of law change opens the door to a number of abuses, and the "State" should not be making decisions about who can and can;t have children.

Oddly enough, both National and Labour are looking at intra-uterine testing to "prevent unnecessary expense" to society by testing for any number of genetic defects in the womb and requiring abortion should your unborn child be under a predetermined level of "viability".

National have also promised to close facilities for educating those with an intellectual disability and to prevent the intellectually disabled from being "mainstreamed". Not that I agree with mainstreaming.

**riffer** · 25th May 2008, 14:52

Originally Posted by Jim2

National have also promised to close facilities for educating those with an intellectual disability and to prevent the intellectually disabled from being "mainstreamed". Not that I agree with mainstreaming.

Hang on a minute. Where the hell does that leave them? You can't tell me that in the 21st century we've decided that it's not work attempting to educate people with intellectual disabilities.

Many intellectually disabled people have the capacity to succeed better than a lot of so-called normal intellectual levels.

Like you I'm not convinced of the success of mainstreaming intellectually disabled children. However, I have enough personal knowledge from family members situation to know that doing nothing isn't any better.

What are they suggesting instead?

**rainman** · 25th May 2008, 14:59

Originally Posted by Jim2

Eugenics is an appalling suggestion. It is (to invoke Godwin's Law) a National Socialist's Gestalt that makes that an acceptable solution. That kind of law change opens the door to a number of abuses, and the "State" should not be making decisions about who can and can;t have children.

What he said. Thanks, Jim2.

**Manxman** · 25th May 2008, 15:09

Originally Posted by Jim2

Eugenics is an appalling suggestion. It is (to invoke Godwin's Law) a National Socialist's Gestalt that makes that an acceptable solution. That kind of law change opens the door to a number of abuses, and the "State" should not be making decisions about who can and can;t have children.

Oddly enough, both National and Labour are looking at intra-uterine testing to "prevent unnecessary expense" to society by testing for any number of genetic defects in the womb and requiring abortion should your unborn child be under a predetermined level of "viability".

National have also promised to close facilities for educating those with an intellectual disability and to prevent the intellectually disabled from being "mainstreamed". Not that I agree with mainstreaming.

Yeah, just ranting. I know nothing about the theory of 'Eugenics', but know everything I need to about how wrong and undeserving this woman is.

Let's see. She smoked P whilst 'caring' for children. She has numerous other kids, by other fathers. She sees none of them. She was violent to them. She allegedly shagged Kahui's old man. Plus God knows how many others who showed an interest (

). She hit on other women during the wake.

Just:
1) in this case,
2) in isolation,
3) in my view,
4) to save other poor children from the same fate
5) she is the epitome of everything a mother should not be.

Now, or in the future. Whatever you call it, she does not deserve to have more children. Or - more correctly - children do not deserve her...

I wonder whether Sue Bradford is sitting at home thinking, "Jeez, I'm glad that I repealed s.59, cos this is gonna make all the difference and it's never going to happen again". Feck...

**Conquiztador** · 25th May 2008, 19:47

In the States there is a bunch of ppl who contact drugabusing females and offer them money if they get sterilised. And while the withdraw sets in it is an easy option where to get the next fix.

The organisation (can't remember what they are called now) has got heaps of heat for what they do. But legally they are not breaking any laws as the female signs a document before being sterilised stating it is her own will.

Their reasoning is that these females would have more kids who would be damaged and the state would have to take care of.

I support this idea.

Offer her some money and she most probably go for it...

**Conquiztador** · 25th May 2008, 19:53

With this thread I was more commenting on the NZ way of: "As long as we give it a go it does not matter if we are loosers".

Obviously this now also applies to having children.

"She fucked up badly, she had a bunch of kids, 2 died, rest were taken off her, but good on her, at least she had a go..."

**Ixion** · 25th May 2008, 20:25

Ms King, accoridng to reports, has produced six children, and signally failed in the most elemental duties to all of them

Reportedly she has never held a job

Despite that she drives around in a $37000 XR8.

I have never not held a job, but I can't afford a $37000 car. Because I pay such high taxes to support Ms King and her like. Sadly, she is far from exceptional. A trawl through South Auckland could probably produce 100,000 just like her. All living a very comfortable life, even a luxurious one, on the proceeds of the sweat and toil of you and I. There's a word for such things - can't think of it, on the tip of my tongue. Begins with a 'P'. Parasailing? No, that's not quite it. Tch, it's on the tip of my tongue.

Can some one please tell me what exactly Ms King returns to society in exchange for the money I am forced to contribute toward her life style?

**Pussy** · 25th May 2008, 20:39

Originally Posted by Ixion

Can some one please tell me what exactly Ms King returns to society in exchange for the money I am forced to contribute toward her life style?

I think "sweet fuck all" is the expression you are looking for there, Ixion

MD · 25th May 2008, 20:41

Originally Posted by Jim2

Hopefully not waiting lists for adoption. Buy one from overseas. It's cheaper and you won't have to put up with whanau turning up every five minutes, exercising their familial "rights".

Wow. E-Bay sure has come a long way in a short time.

MD · 25th May 2008, 20:58

Originally Posted by Ixion

Ms King, accoridng to reports, has produced six children, and signally failed in the most elemental duties to all of them

Reportedly she has never held a job
......

Can some one please tell me what exactly Ms King returns to society in exchange for the money I am forced to contribute toward her life style?

Wouldn't it be interesting if the tax payer had the right to select where the Govt was allowed to spend the dollars being forcibly taken off them.
You know, a "please select from the following; health, Police, Defence, Education,..." AND they could only spent it where you selected. I think the Govt would get a swift, sharp, shock on how tax payers feel about Welfare getting the lions share.

**Conquiztador** · 25th May 2008, 21:05

Originally Posted by MD

Wouldn't it be interesting if the tax payer had the right to select where the Govt was allowed to spend the dollars being forcibly taken off them.
You know, a "please select from the following; health, Police, Defence, Education,..." AND they could only spent it where you selected. I think the Govt would get a swift, sharp, shock on how tax payers feel about Welfare getting the lions share.

What an interesting idea!!

The money would have to be used in the next years budget.

I can just see it. Dr Cullen steps up and does his budget speach:

"As a result of last years tax payments we have this year nothing to spend on social welfare, but with 10.5 billion our roads will be the envy of the world..."

**Manxman** · 25th May 2008, 21:25

Originally Posted by Conquiztador

Their reasoning (for offering sterilisation)is that these females would have more kids who would be damaged and the state would have to take care of.
I support this idea.
Offer her some money and she most probably go for it...

Me too.

However, I think she should pay...

**scumdog** · 26th May 2008, 03:51

Originally Posted by Conquiztador

"She might not have been the best mother, but she had a go... with the knowledge she had." About Macsyna King and why she has lost the custody of 4 children and her two dead twins.

And she has the right to give it more go's whenever she wants to.

I just love the society we live in.

All I can say is that I'm glad she's not an airline pilot and gave it a 'go' with the same amount of success as she had with motherhood......

**Forest** · 26th May 2008, 06:35

Originally Posted by rainman

Agree the whole family looks dodgy as all hell but are you really proposing mandatory sterilisation as part of a punishment programme? Or the death penalty?

Or are you all just blowing off some steam about this case? (I can understand that, the whole situation is pretty sick).

I wouldn't go so far as sterilisation, but a strategically located padlock might help to resolve the situation.

**blossomsowner** · 26th May 2008, 06:36

Originally Posted by Ixion

Ms King, accoridng to reports, has produced six children, and signally failed in the most elemental duties to all of them

Reportedly she has never held a job

Despite that she drives around in a $37000 XR8.

I have never not held a job, but I can't afford a $37000 car. Because I pay such high taxes to support Ms King and her like. Sadly, she is far from exceptional. A trawl through South Auckland could probably produce 100,000 just like her. All living a very comfortable life, even a luxurious one, on the proceeds of the sweat and toil of you and I. There's a word for such things - can't think of it, on the tip of my tongue. Begins with a 'P'. Parasailing? No, that's not quite it. Tch, it's on the tip of my tongue.

i think the word you want is ..............PARASITE!