Current bike Vs new

**Headbanger** · 9th October 2008, 16:49

Called into Anza's today, And apart from the usual, ........The usual being that I was completely ignored during the entire half an hour I spent looking at every bike in the shop, I was quite surprised by how cheap a new FXD costs, pretty much the exact same price I paid for one in 96.

Anyway, as always happens from looking at shiny new things, I started to want one, My dilemma is whether or not there is any logic in going from a 98 1340 with dual discs,Mikuni carb, Andrews cam,ignition, fork brace, 2-1 pipes,after market shocks to a brand new stock FXD, any thoughts?

Any chance the new bike would be slower, handle worse, and lack braking power?

Don't want to go into debt for a bike that doesn't match what I already have, But she sure was purty.

And what the fuck is Anza's fuckin problem?

**James Deuce** · 9th October 2008, 16:57

All bike shops are the same. They are a shop and they have bikes. What makes them different from each other is the staff.

ANZA have been that way since the dawn of time (relatively speaking) and now that they sell cars seem to have gotten worse.

To buy a Harley you have to be built like me.

Medium Height. Chubby medium build. Bearded. Wearing "tidy office attire" is compulsory. 1%ers aren't allowed new Harleys. The shops don't like it.

To buy a Harley you have to earn 3 times what I do, or the local HOG (named after the wives I think) chapter won't let you play golf with them any more.

**AllanB** · 9th October 2008, 17:01

They got anything to test ride???????

There has been a number of improvements since 98 - all the new ones are injected, (some fly-by wire) twin cam, 6 speed, vibrate a shit load less.

Plus the extra cc must offer something?

Check on-line reviews regarding RW HP from dyno tests on the new one - if yours has not been maybe pop it on a dyno to compare HP.

Is there anything better than a spanky new bike?

**Headbanger** · 9th October 2008, 17:05

well, I couldn't ask them for a test ride, They didn't speak to me. I was hoping to at least discuss trade-in value. Sure I could have cornered one I guess, but surely they have to do some work. Probally would have struck a deal if they had talked to me while the iron was hot.

I have a sneaking suspicion my bike would shred a new stranded one.Shes got plenty of mongrel in her.

**Horse** · 9th October 2008, 17:08

I bought my first bike from ANZA, less than a year ago. I was a shiny n00b, and buying a 2nd hand Hyosung but I found them pretty good to deal with. Since then I've bought a helmet, some draggin jeans, and an Electra Glide Ultra Classic off them, and still find them pretty good to deal with. Just got back from there picking my bike up after a service.

Mind you, I probably bear a passing resemblance to Jim's description - although I'm just above average in height at 5'11".

**Headbanger** · 9th October 2008, 17:17

I bought a brand new 96 FXD off them back in...well 96, during the pre-delivery inspection they lost the battery cover, then they tried to charge me extra for the off the shelf replacement, then a bolt they had lost jammed into the engine mount and made a solid mount, causing the bike to vibrate like crazy, at all times they treated me like a chump. I swore not to deal with them again.

A year ago I went back for the first time, spent half an hour looking at riding jackets, failed to get any service.Left and bought one elsewhere.

Today, Ignored again.

Fuck em, I have talked myself out of a new bike.

Silly thread. Wish I had never created it....lmao.

**popelli** · 9th October 2008, 18:20

Originally Posted by Headbanger

Anyway, as always happens from looking at shiny new things, I started to want one, My dilemma is whether or not there is any logic in going from a 98 1340 with dual discs,Mikuni carb, Andrews cam,ignition, fork brace, 2-1 pipes,after market shocks to a brand new stock FXD, any thoughts?

best keep what you have, the evo is a far better motor with very few weak points

the twin cam got nicknamed tin can for good reason, they are a poor immitation of what preceeded them

The twin cam was introduced to get around noise and pollution constraints and was made bigger to compensate for the loss in power

you would need to factor in the cost of stage 1 at a minimum into the equation and that would then give it about the same power as what you currently have.

the twin cam is also a throw away motor, crank can not be rebuilt, lifters run straight in the case, 100,000 miles and it is scrap metal and beyond economic rebuilding

by comparison my evo has 250,000kms and the bottom end has not been apart yet - top end had its first rebore 100,000km ago

Any 36- 98 (knuck to evo) engine can be rebuilt indefinitely with brand new parts

personally the money would be better spent on youir existing bike with an 88" big bore kit and /or headwork or decent aftermarket heads

putting everything into perspective a standard pre stage 1 twin cam has around 66 ft lbs torque after stage 1 they put out a little more

by comparison my bikes had (rear wheel on dyno)

900 ducati 60 ft lbs
panhead 63 ft lbs
iron head sporty 67 ft lbs
Evo 77 ft lbs
shovel 80 ft lbs

**Headbanger** · 9th October 2008, 19:21

Originally Posted by popelli

best keep what you have, the evo is a far better motor with very few weak points

Cheers, Great info. I suppose when you add all that to the fact my bike has only done 50000kms I'd be a mug to trade her away.

I'm going to go back to my habit of not visiting bike stores.

**Kiwibacon** · 9th October 2008, 20:24

ANZA The Wankrs..F%$K them. Iwanted to trade my 2006 1200r sporster roadster in on a new Fatbob and the salesman reneged on the price so i went and bought a 2008 Low rider from Wellington motorcycles.
Truth is ALL motorcycle dealers wanna be your friend UNTIL you have paid the cash, HP, whatever then you no use to them, unless they do your next service.
Heck you only done 50ks on ya 96.... ?
My low and i have done 32 since jan... a lotta trips u to a mates in Toke, also the rimmas, BUT the best bit is I get to ride to work 5-7 days a week an each days a godsend.

**Wingnut** · 9th October 2008, 20:41

Yea sometimes the grass isn't greener on the other side. I have done a couple of changes over the years, usually just due to getting a little bored with what I had at the time. Wasn't always such a great move.

**Headbanger** · 9th October 2008, 21:20

Originally Posted by Kiwibacon

Heck you only done 50ks on ya 96.... ?

Nope, I sold the 96 after a couple of years and buggered off to Aussie.

Current bike was bought about a 18 months ago, Though it doesn't get used anywhere as much as I would like, But she comes after work and family, Kids are only young once, Bike will still be around when they have grown up.

**Rob Taylor** · 10th October 2008, 13:42

You would have to put all the hot up gear on to the new one too bro.The injection is for emition control rather than performance so a ecu upgrade is needed also...If you want another bike sometime go talk to Kerry Jeffs at KTL bikes in Dorkland.You will get a bloody good tradein and a real sharp price on the replacement.He deals in near new and new imported Harleys from the usa and Japan.He is on trademe under user name kerjef and his web site is www.ktlbikes.co.nz.... 021765912.Give him a call even just to see what your bike is worth...

**yod** · 10th October 2008, 13:49

i'll second rob's comments re KTL bikes

great to deal with

**Winston001** · 10th October 2008, 15:52

Third that. Got my Duke from Kerry Jeffs and he was excellent. No B/S, no chiselling, a deal is a deal.

But mate, you've got a good HD already, enjoy.