Do pedestrians give way to vehicles at supermarkets?

[cheshirecat]

Trawled the forums - well at least for 10 mins. Supermarkets are intersections by law but do pedestrians have to give way to incoming/exiting traffic when walking across entranceway? They do have a resonsibility to know the road code I believe but is that law. Just had one argue they had ful rights to amble acrosss regardless

[Hopeful Bastard]

Yes they do have to give way..

[GOONR]

Trawled the forums - well at least for 10 mins. Supermarkets are intersections by law but do pedestrians have to give way to incoming/exiting traffic when walking across entranceway? They do have a resonsibility to know the road code I believe but is that law. Just had one argue they had ful rights to amble acrosss regardless

Not sure about over here, in the UK if a pedestrian is half way or more over the road you are meant to give way to them.. Personally I'd make the bugger run!

[Trudes]

Good question. The supermarket that I shop at in Johnsonville has that issue constantly at one of it's entrances. If you're driving in there you usually want to get off the road as quick as possible due to it being a busy main road and if you sit there too long you end up with quite a que of backed up traffic behind you or peole try and squeeze around you which puts them on the other side of the road and peds just walk out onto the driveway expecting you to wait for them. Have just about bowled many a stupid egg there who hasn't even registered that cars need to use that driveway. People are stupid and just expect you'll stop for them. They get a hell of a shock when you keep driving towards them sitting on the horn!

[gazmascelle]

Pretty sure they call it a footpath for a reason. I usually give way to cars etc though especially when there's a lot of traffic about..

[cheshirecat]

In Germany I think pedestrians get clobbered if they 'interfere' with cars. Their bottom line is that peds should be on the road regardless.
Problem I find is that the road code is so PC and badly written you end up in the 'wrong' ie get fined, even if logic dictates otherwise. If you hit a pedestrian in the above, even though you'd be in the right re road code, I reckon you'd get fined.
Any case histories here?

[Hitcher]

Instead of debating inanities, run one over and see what happens.

Dollars to donuts the fuzz will bust your arse.

[JimO]

car V pedestrian car always in wrong

[kwaka_crasher]

car V pedestrian car always in wrong

Not in the case of a public entrance - that's a marked road they're crossing which makes it an intersection. The footpath ends at the side of the road.

[red mermaid]

Actually in law it is all road as per the definition pasted below from the Land Transport Act;
road includes—
(a) a street; and
(b) a motorway; and
(c) a beach; and
(d) a place to which the public have access, whether as of right or not; and
(e) all bridges, culverts, ferries, and fords forming part of a road or street or motorway, or a place referred to in paragraph (d):
(f) all sites at which vehicles may be weighed for the purposes of this Act or any other enactment

However if you look at the Road User Rule, it states in 4.4;
Giving way when entering or exiting driveway
A driver entering or exiting a driveway must give way to a road user on a footpath.

So a car does have to give way to pedestrians on the footpath. And the "Fuzz will not bust your arse". They will apply the law as it is written and if you are unsure you should ask someone who knows what the law is, not the horses arse that is so ready to give you a wrong answer.

[Ender EnZed]

the "Fuzz will not bust your arse". They will apply the law as it is written and if you are unsure you should ask someone who knows what the law is, not the horses arse that is so ready to give you a wrong answer.

I reckon you'd probably be right if you only got them with the back wheel. That way you can say they jumped under.

The horses arse

[p.dath]

My personal guess is the chunk of land you are referring to is private property (certainly once you have turned off the road). Sure it looks like a road, but it is on the supermarket's land.

As such, the Land Transport Act (and it's give way rules) would not apply.

[Ender EnZed]

My personal guess is the chunk of land you are referring to is private property (certainly once you have turned off the road). Sure it looks like a road, but it is on the supermarket's land.

As such, the Land Transport Act (and it's give way rules) would not apply.

The Road Code book (which is not law) does make a special point out of supermarket entrances being an intersection as opposed to home driveways (I think). But I would still expect to give way to anyone without a number plate.

[swbarnett]

My personal guess is the chunk of land you are referring to is private property (certainly once you have turned off the road). Sure it looks like a road, but it is on the supermarket's land.

As such, the Land Transport Act (and it's give way rules) would not apply.

I refer you back to red mermaid's post:

(d) a place to which the public have access, whether as of right or not;

The fact that it is private property is irrelevant. If you don't have a locked gate on your driveway this also could be considered by an over zealous Mr. Plod to be a road.

This discussion has been had before on KB.

[discotex]

Most motorists turning right to enter the carpark forget to give way to vehicles that are turning right to leave (unless there's a marked give way sign). It's hardly surprising that pedestrians forget it's technically a road as well.