Doing the runner

[James Deuce]

I don't care how anyone puts, a 200kg bike travelling at speeds in excess of 200km/hr is going to kill someone if the runner gets it wrong. We had proof of that last year.

If you're going to discuss "human nature" please bear in mind that we are only physically capable of instantly responding to a situation at speeds of less than 12 mph. Over that, reaction time becomes an increasingly important factor. We had a graphic example of how a speeding bike, doing a runner from the cops, can kill an "innocent bystander" and do horrendous damage to the vehicle it struck.

I've got kids. I'm not going to lie down and say that it's OK for someone to add yet another thing to the list of stuff that can kill them needlessly (it's always needless btw). Especially if it is preventable by doing something simple like stopping when you get pinged. Respect for the law of the country you live in is the cornerstone of civilisation. Giving in to personal desires to avoid punishment is a slippery slope.

Running is stupid. It puts you at risk, the cop chasing (who also doesn't need to add yet another risk factor to their already risky job) at risk, and everybody you flash by at supersonic speed at risk. That fundamental lack of respect for well known limitations on "personal freedom" (speed limits), and the fundamental lack of respect for the consequences of your actions is what got me riled up.

There are better ways to commit suicide, and less random ways to kill someone. Oh yeah, that's right I forgot. Everybody who answers to the negative of my point will no doubt claim that their huge personal skill on a motorcycle will allow them to avoid any potential problem. Yeah right.

[Bonez]

There are better ways to commit suicide, and less random ways to kill someone. Oh yeah, that's right I forgot. Everybody who answers to the negative of my point will no doubt claim that their huge personal skill on a motorcycle will allow them to avoid any potential problem. Yeah right.

Spot on ol son.

[avgas]

Aaron did have a good point bro, and im pretty sure that alot of bikers on this site have done The RUNNER at least once, me more than a few thats for sure and yeah i paid my fines, lost my licence (eh twice ).
But i think you'll also find that alot of people on this site are more of the older wiser type (no offence peeps) and dont really get off too much on this kinda stuff being talked about on this site, there are other sites around where this stuff is all they talk about but not this one.
I dont think it's really fair for you to come onto this site as a new member and start calling people "cocksuckers" etc, and as for nana's well there are more than a few rather fast riders on this site. I know evreyone is entitled to there opinons for sure but yeah i think a majority of peeps on this site dont appreciate that kinda talk, so most of us keep it the minimum/or not at all to keep the peace and enjoy riding with the people we meet, as i'm sure you're meet some pretty kick arse people on this site. As i have.

Ride on man

Yeh valid point here. At then end of the day - everyone here rides (hopefully). Isnt that what counts. Anyhows the avgas's is doing dishes - so if i dont get up im a dead man.
Im sorry to everyone here who thinks i do 200kph everywhere, i dont. I have hit it though (as mentioned before - when the cows sleep), as have alot of you - so dont be so critical of me.
Havent gone past 240 yet though. I did a runner from the cops years ago - when i was still young and arrogant. Now im young and broken (learned)

[scumdog]

. Why is it that many people have a complete intolerance for others whose views don't happen to agree with their own?

I understand that Aaron does the runner... so what? Those who vehemently disagree respond with insults. Will that stop him from doing the runner? I doubt it.

But yesterday in that same Lancer (minus the daughter) I was travelling at a speed that would surely draw insults from some of the forum users here. And were I not on holiday at the moment, I would be hitting similar speeds almost every day on the way to work on my bike. And had a cop jumped out of the bushes?? I'm damn sure the options would have been calculated pretty fast in my head - and losing my license for the 4th time is not high on my priority list.

The very long-winded point i had, I guess, is tolerance. Act like adults for god's sake!!!!

(1) Just because YOU have an opinion differing to the rest does not make it any more 'right' especially when it involves a possible risk to those others, our opinion relates to what is legal combined with what could pose a risk to us.

(2) Losing your licence for the 4th!!!! time (WTF) might not be a priority to YOU but if you're that slow a learner I think it is an immediately a priority for the rest of us. How many time would you piss on a live electric fence before you learned it was not the best thing to do? probably more times than the rest of us. :disapint:

(3) Yes, we are trying to act like adults, we have a bit of 'fun' now and then but don't blow our trumpets about how we are making a career out of breaking the law.

If you comments are not a troll you are one sorry-arsed slow learner!!

[scumdog]

Why is it the 'newest' members (especially those born in the mid 70's) seem to have the most to say and often in the most provocative way and in disagreement with us less young members?
Must be 'human nature I'd say?

[avgas]

There are better ways to commit suicide, and less random ways to kill someone. Oh yeah, that's right I forgot. Everybody who answers to the negative of my point will no doubt claim that their huge personal skill on a motorcycle will allow them to avoid any potential problem. Yeah right.

I dont condone killing people, if they deserve to die - you just ignore them.

or do this :eyepoke:
I dont have any skill.....cos ive only been riding for 10 years.
funny thing is heaps of people get theyre egos confused with skill.
This forums is like either way we're all dicks whou should be out riding.
Final points, dont run from cops......but if you do (you dumbass), it better be for a really good reason.
Im going for a ride

[avgas]

Why is it the 'newest' members (especially those born in the mid 70's) seem to have the most to say and often in the most provocative way and in disagreement with us less young members?
Must be 'human nature I'd say?

Yeh funny thing is all the ol' ens i ride with are absolutely nuts. They all god hell for leather and leave me in theyre dust. Have to be different bikes for different types or something. Cos they all ride ZZR1100s, ZX10s, R1s, 955's and aprillas.

[WINJA]

Is this serious? I hope not - but I have heard it many times from different fellow bikers that they reckon any old bike will beat a car through the twisties.

It just is not the case. Sure, a bike will accelerate out of a bend faster than a car, but a good car, driven well will do the corner itself faster than a bike.

I've even experienced this myself; I used to drive a BMW 330, and although it wasn't the fastest of cars it was pretty swift, and it had BIG tyres and good handling. I could actually out do 600's, 1000's etc. on a very twisty section on the way to work. (There wasn't enough length of straight for the bikes' acceleration to win out). I could brake later, and corner faster.

And if you think the bikers just weren't very good riders - it's not that, it's just boring old physics. Cars have good a much greater area of rubber in contact with the road, and the traction really makes for better braking and cornering, even when you take into account they are much heavier..

OF COURSE YOUD THINK A CAR IS FASTER YOU PROBABLY CANT RIDE PROPERLY. I HAVE SEEN 100S OF TIMES WHEN A CAR TRIED TO RACE ME AND I CAN BEAT IT EVERY WHERE ON THE ROAD , THE CORNERS THE STRAIGHTS AND THE BRAKES, I ALWAYS SAY THOSE WHO CANT RIDE DRIVE YOU FIT PERFECTLY IN THIS CATEGORY DID YOU READ MY EARLIER POST BLADE V NSX . WERE YOU AT PUKE WHEN CRAIG BAIRD WAS TESTING BMW'S

[onearmedbandit]

Winja - a racetrack is different to some pot-holed, rutted, gravelly hill road. Sure bikes can stop quicker than most cars, but only in ideal conditions. On a track, yep I'd give it to the bike most times (seen enough tests from both car and bike mags proving this point) but on some shitty poorly maintained public road, hmmmm, there lies the difference.

[onearmedbandit]

And SD, I was born in the mid 70's. Hope you're not putting me in some grouping because of my age. Was just talking to another rider (01 R1) last night, and while we agreed that speed is still a buzz for us, we also agreed that we'd rather go for a quickish ride that we come home from in one piece, than an all and all out blast with a trip to the hospital/morgue at the end. Obvious I know, but this is coming from two riders who have done the odd runner, lost our licences once or twice, but have now 'matured'. We all go through it.

[inlinefour]

opinionated B/S is all this is. Obviously no one has actually been around the high preformance car scene here. If they had then remarks like above would not exsist. I've been passed by a few cars while racing on a high preformance bike in the past. Has anyone bothered to look at all the forms of motorsport and THEN compare that to their own riding abilities, I'd say not...

[onearmedbandit]

Was that aimed at me Honda?? Because if it was nowhere did I say I'd completed these tests. This info came from numerous tests I've read. I should have also stated that these tests were all done on tracks, you know, billiard table smooth, no traffic to worry about, dry conditions. On a normal public road, it would go to the vehicle with more contact patch. And I've driven many many hi-po cars, from older V8's through to STi's, EVO's, highly modded GTR's, NSX, factory 911RSR racer (on the road, not the best place for it!!), so I can speak from experience.

[Jantar]

[QUOTE=Jim2]
Running is stupid. It puts you at risk, the cop chasing (who also doesn't need to add yet another risk factor to their already risky job) at risk, ..... QUOTE]

But the cop does have the option of not to chase. That way no-one is at risk.

[James Deuce]

Running is stupid. It puts you at risk, the cop chasing (who also doesn't need to add yet another risk factor to their already risky job) at risk, .....

But the cop does have the option of not to chase. That way no-one is at risk.

Not entirely true. If every cop ignored every situation requiring a chase, then at least one of them would lose their job for not actually doing it.

[scumdog]

And SD, I was born in the mid 70's. Hope you're not putting me in some grouping because of my age. Was just talking to another rider (01 R1) last night, and while we agreed that speed is still a buzz for us, we also agreed that we'd rather go for a quickish ride that we come home from in one piece, than an all and all out blast with a trip to the hospital/morgue at the end. Obvious I know, but this is coming from two riders who have done the odd runner, lost our licences once or twice, but have now 'matured'. We all go through it.

Hell no, far from it, I never relaise that you WERE born in the mid 70's it was more of a at the two more vocal pro-runner members on this thread who were both born in '75 and who have about 50 or so postings between them.

No problem with you attitude to a quick blast in an 'appropriate' area, good for getting rid of the 'cobwebs'